UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[Shiressleuth]

It is logical, but why would the driver lie?

Doesn't want to admit to the theft?

 

[Miss_French]

Scenarios:

1) Corrie was in the bin but managed to get out and have some kind of accident trying to walk home
2) Corrie was in the bin but managed to get out and went to meet someone, and it all went wrong
3) Corrie was in the bin and ended up at one of the waste sites but hasn't been found
4) Corrie got a lift in the bin lorry cab and befell either accident or incident
5) Corrie got a lift in another vehicle and ditto above
6) Corrie somehow bypassed the cameras on foot and ditto above.

Things I still wonder about:

Focus 7. There could have been unofficial residents in there, and it is right next to where C was last seen. If there were people in the building they would not want to admit it. Drugs possibility. Had days to dispose / clean up.

The 100kg+ bin weight. If not a person, what weighed so much? Did we ascertain that the actual bin gets weighed, or it it the total weight of the lorry? What / who caused the initial weight mix up at Biffa?

Red Lodge. Looks a bit dodge to me in google images (which are quite old). Could there have been a cover up? Could the bin driver be involved? What was all that confusion in the early days about who was driving?

The American air base. Wasn't searched. Rumours of party nearby. Corrie was usually out with an American pal.

The sex life. I would not be surprised, given what we have seen on the swinging sites, if Corrie went to meet someone for a bit of fun.

The nightclub bouncer / manager. Can't remember who now, but one of them said something which was disproved by CCTV. Why lie? Not sure Corrie was as popular as portrayed, perhaps was being a pain in the arse that night.


I'm sure I've missed loads of ideas out.... what does everyone else think happened?!?!

I think the mention of Focus 7 by the family is unfair. It's for rehab, it's not a drug den, and in all my years living in BSE I haven't seen a crime reported where anyone had a connection to Focus. Local murders/attempted killings here are rarely random, usually the victim has been known to the perpetrator.

The bin is weighed by a system on the vehicle as it's lifted into the lorry, then as it is lowered after emptying; bit of subtraction and that gives the weight of the waste.

There's 2 American air bases in the vicinity; Mildenhall and, about 5 miles north, Lakenheath. The latter has a bowling alley open to MoD personnel.

 

[Taskforce88]

Well, we've had a fair few of those along the way.

What's your best guess on where he is, Ironside? And everyone else?

For whats it worth I have always felt he got a lift out of the horseshoe and came to grief outside of town. So that would suggest a driver is lying.

But I still think there is something 'odd' about the untraced 'old man'

Unless he did get into a bin and the rubbish went some place else for whatever reason.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Indeed, unless he is still in the horseshoe then he either left on foot (unseen) or in a vehicle.

Early on in the investigation it was said that the horseshoe area and the surrounding buildings had been thoroughly searched and no trace of him found. Was that search a full blown forensic one or something more visual/looking in wardrobes/checking the cellar type of search? I don't recall that that was ever clarified.

The police have traced all the vehicles and out of all the people they wanted to speak to, only two haven't been located/come forward?

Remind me who else wasn't identified other than the Old Man.

What about the van driver who claimed to have seen someone matching Cs description? His wife contacted the police some time later. Have most dismissed this sighting?

I haven't, simply because it would place him in the same general mast area where his phone was apparently within the reach of the BM mast for several hours. However the police seem to have largely ignored it in favour of the bins and landfill hypothesis. Maybe now they will go back to it and give it some serious attention.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Unless he did get into a bin and the rubbish went some place else for whatever reason.

Or he got into the bin, was taken to Red Lodge, unloaded and the people working there panicked and his body was disposed of elsewhere.

In fact there is enough woodland around the village for his body to have been concealed nearby quite effectively, not to mention the small body of water within one of those patches. The latter was flagged up very early in discussions here when we were talking about what bodies of water there were in the general area where he might have drowned.

If he and his phone did travel to Red Lodge, would the phone still be within range of the BM roundabout mast?

 

[Shiressleuth]

For whats it worth I have always felt he got a lift out of the horseshoe and came to grief outside of town. So that would suggest a driver is lying.

But I still think there is something 'odd' about the untraced 'old man'

Unless he did get into a bin and the rubbish went some place else for whatever reason.

The trouble is the phone travelling the specific route and times of the bin lorry. C was either with the phone or wasn't. Neither has been found at LF so that gives us 6 possibilities, 2 in each category I listed in my post above. I.e.
1 Accident a) with or b) w/out phone.
2 Foul play a) or b) as above.
3 Awol a) or b) as above.

AFAIK only the 2 possibilities in number 1 have been explored by LE.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Just a thought: we know the phone signal ended around 8.30am on the morning Corrie disappeared.

What do we think to the possibility that he himself put it into a crisp packet or similar in order to mask its whereabouts? IF he wanted to disappear permanently, it would make sense for him to block the signal in one place in order to dispose of it completely somewhere else entirely.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Or he got into the bin, was taken to Red Lodge, unloaded and the people working there panicked and his body was disposed of elsewhere.

In fact there is enough woodland around the village for his body to have been concealed nearby quite effectively, not to mention the small body of water within one of those patches. The latter was flagged up very early in discussions here when we were talking about what bodies of water there were in the general area where he might have drowned.

Further to this, I did a bit of digging and it appears that the waste transfer station being used is a privately owned facility on a road named The Carrops, which is the rough road running diagonally top left to bottom right across the middle of this screen:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...2704c5d1a1f5d56d!8m2!3d52.2973066!4d0.4819237

Look how isolated the sites along it are with various recycling, motor trade and similar businesses on their own discrete sites surrounded by undeveloped rough land and woodland.

Report naming The Carrops as the site of the facility:

https://www.westsuffolk.gov.uk/bins/upload/WSOHIAPOSReport.pdf

 

[c4nd1_83]

Nicola said that when Corrie woke up outside Hughes he walked around in that area for about 20mins before he headed to the horse shoe. He looked confused she said. She also said he never once looked at his phone. He never had it in his hand.

Maybe he didn't have his phone! As surely you would check it after waking up. Maybe someone stole his phone etc and put it in the bin that just so happened to be in the area he last went into. I just think it's very odd he never looked at his phone at all. Also Nicola said when he was asleep he didn't move or even flinch. He was totally out of it. So odd.


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[JustJo]

Nicola said that when Corrie woke up outside Hughes he walked around in that area for about 20mins before he headed to the horse shoe. He looked confused she said. She also said he never once looked at his phone. He never had it in his hand.

Maybe he didn't have his phone! As surely you would check it after waking up. Maybe someone stole his phone etc and put it in the bin that just so happened to be in the area he last went into. I just think it's very odd he never looked at his phone at all.


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That's a very good point. All this landfill searching on the ASSUMPTION Corrie was with his phone.

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[Taskforce88]

That's a very good point. All this landfill searching on the ASSUMPTION Corrie was with his phone.

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Yep, its possible he never had his phone after he woke up. Its possible he dropped it or someone stole it while he was asleep.

 

[Taskforce88]

And it is possible that in his 'confused state' he climbed into a bin and was taken away in a bin lorry, but not disposed of in the landfill.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Its possible .... someone stole it while he was asleep.

I doubt that's likely as CCTV coverage of the Hughes doorway area was pretty good. From memory I think he, or the entrance to the doorway, was visible throughout the time he was sleeping so anyone approaching him would have been recorded. Several people did go up to him while he was there and from what I've read the police have spoken to all of them.

If he had been separated from his phone I think it's more likely he lost it somewhere in town, but if that is what happened why did the finder not hand it in to the police? It wasn't a trendy or desireable model so not one really worth keeping or selling.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think the mention of Focus 7 by the family is unfair. It's for rehab, it's not a drug den, and in all my years living in BSE I haven't seen a crime reported where anyone had a connection to Focus. Local murders/attempted killings here are rarely random, usually the victim has been known to the perpetrator.

The bin is weighed by a system on the vehicle as it's lifted into the lorry, then as it is lowered after emptying; bit of subtraction and that gives the weight of the waste.

There's 2 American air bases in the vicinity; Mildenhall and, about 5 miles north, Lakenheath. The latter has a bowling alley open to MoD personnel.

Have you got a link to what family said about Focus ? (Is it Focus 7 ? I thought it was Focus 12.)
Re the bin weighing - do you have a link to the source for that ? Is it all computerised or does the bin man have to write it all down?
TY.

 

[Shiressleuth]

And it is possible that in his 'confused state' he climbed into a bin and was taken away in a bin lorry, but not disposed of in the landfill.

But they have checked and checked those details - to the transfer station for the weekend then via larger lorry to the LF, where the relevant area was searched. Are you suggesting the waste contractor is deliberately covering something up ?

 

[Taskforce88]

But they have checked and checked those details - to the transfer station for the weekend then via larger lorry to the LF, where the relevant area was searched. Are you suggesting the waste contractor is deliberately covering something up ?

Anything is possible now. Perhaps something happened at the transfer station?

If the police and family were certain that he somehow got into the waste system, but didn't end up in the landfill then he must have been removed from the system before landfill.

I wonder what new leads they are going to follow now?

 

[Taskforce88]

Early on in the investigation it was said that the horseshoe area and the surrounding buildings had been thoroughly searched and no trace of him found. Was that search a full blown forensic one or something more visual/looking in wardrobes/checking the cellar type of search? I don't recall that that was ever clarified.



Remind me who else wasn't identified other than the Old Man.



I haven't, simply because it would place him in the same general mast area where his phone was apparently within the reach of the BM mast for several hours. However the police seem to have largely ignored it in favour of the bins and landfill hypothesis. Maybe now they will go back to it and give it some serious attention.

I was thought there was a woman who was still to be questioned, I take it she was spoken to?

So maybe they will look deeper into the van driver claim? Could C have gotten a lift in the bin lorry and dropped off in the area? Why would the driver not just say?

Did the driver come forward after his wife told police, was he questioned?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Just a thought: we know the phone signal ended around 8.30am on the morning Corrie disappeared.

What do we think to the possibility that he himself put it into a crisp packet or similar in order to mask its whereabouts? IF he wanted to disappear permanently, it would make sense for him to block the signal in one place in order to dispose of it completely somewhere else entirely.

Well he"s cleverer than all of us then as we never came up with that one before. Do they learn that sort of covert stuff in the RAF? I read today to accurately test if something is a Faraday cage you just put a radio in it and if it cannot receive then it is a Faraday cage. It has to be all metal and no leaks through seals. So when the back of the bin lorry is open, for example, it wouldn't block the signal apparently. I do think it likely he lost it or had it stolen. If he did put it in a crisp packet then he went to BM first with it.

 

[Blamhappy]

Doesn't want to admit to the theft?

He wouldn't be in any trouble at all if he'd merely picked up a phone left on a bin though. If he's lied about that, there must be more to it, surely?

 

[Shiressleuth]

Anything is possible now. Perhaps something happened at the transfer station?

If the police and family were certain that he somehow got into the waste system, but didn't end up in the landfill then he must have been removed from the system before landfill.

I wonder what new leads they are going to follow now?

So you think they could have found him in the waste at the transfer station and disposed of his body elsewhere deliberately or by mistake? I know at my LF they have an enormous area for certain waste which composts down and makes methane gas, which they use for powering equipment and stuff.