UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[Taskforce88]

Where is the source for this, please?

Incidentally the top two comments on the DM article are apparently from Mr Hawes and his wife. He does allow that he is not sure of the date of his sighting, although he is sure that it was a Saturday morning. I'm inclined to think that he would be more positive about the date if he was making it up.

Am I correct in saying it was his wife that came forward first and not him?

 

[Ironside]

Ahem, I thought something was MSM but it isn't (yet) so I've messaged greater than asking to remove some posts as I can't seem to report myself.


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[Shiressleuth]

Ahem, I thought something was MSM but it isn't (yet) so I've messaged greater than asking to remove some posts as I can't seem to report myself.


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I'll alert on them for you.

Eta done - on both posts. I'll delete my response if still in edit mode.

 

[Cherwell]

Am I correct in saying it was his wife that came forward first and not him?

I think I read that his wife rang the police after they failed to follow up his initial call. Or something like that.

 

[Taskforce88]

I think I read that his wife rang the police after they failed to follow up his initial call. Or something like that.

Hmm, it doesn't sound like he was making it up, but possible he was mistaken.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Based on what we have been told officially then the following is where I am:

He ended up in a bin behind Greggs after the CCTV (by himself or less likely via third party)

Was discovered in bin lorry with panic/cover up ensuing
Was discovered at intermediate site and as above
Was discovered at landfill and as above

The above is based on him not being found in the landfill. It doesn't sit well with me that SP can have GPS co-ordinates so precise that shows which side of a hole a lorry emptied its load yet also say the search wasn't an exact science/the waste shifts etc, etc. Surely the lorry drivers would remember where they emptied their load and even if not then FCC keep records?

I also question the talk of GPS? I haven't heard of these HGV lorries having such devices that specifically show where they were dumping their loads at landfill? I don't include sat navs here.

 

[Taskforce88]

Based on what we have been told officially then the following is where I am:

He ended up in a bin behind Greggs after the CCTV (by himself or less likely via third party)

Was discovered in bin lorry with panic/cover up ensuing
Was discovered at intermediate site and as above
Was discovered at landfill and as above

The above is based on him not being found in the landfill. It doesn't sit well with me that SP can have GPS co-ordinates so precise that shows which side of a hole a lorry emptied its load yet also say the search wasn't an exact science/the waste shifts etc, etc. Surely the lorry drivers would remember where they emptied their load and even if not then FCC keep records?

I also question the talk of GPS? I haven't heard of these HGV lorries having such devices that specifically show where they were dumping their loads at landfill? I don't include sat navs here.

Very likely these vehicles have trackers on board showing the location, speed etc. Very accurate, the local council here uses them as does private waste companies.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Very likely these vehicles have trackers on board showing the location, speed etc. Very accurate, the local council here uses them as does private waste companies.

I can believe FCC have GPS tech on site but I doubt the third party haulage companies that would have brought the waste from Red Lodge to Milton had such tech. Tachograph and vehicle sat nav yes, but nothing else IMO.

The Biffa bin lorry did not take the waste to landfill AFAIK? Even then do they have specific GPS for tracking that is that accurate? If it did then why all the noise about the phone pings when you could just refer straight to this much more accurate GPS?

 

[DanceCard]

I can believe FCC have GPS tech on site but I doubt the third party haulage companies that would have brought the waste from Red Lodge to Milton had such tech. Tachograph and vehicle sat nav yes, but nothing else IMO.

I work for a small business and there are trackers fitted to all company vehicles. I believe its quite usual now for most businesses to have them.

 

[Cherwell]

Surely the lorry drivers would remember where they emptied their load and even if not then FCC keep records?.

I doubt a driver would remember precisely where he tipped one specific load. And the tipper driver wouldn't know where the refuse had originally come from. I guess it would have been one load among dozens moved from the transfer station that week.

 

[jessie]

I doubt a driver would remember precisely where he tipped one specific load. And the tipper driver wouldn't know where the refuse had originally come from. I guess it would have been one load among dozens moved from the transfer station that week.

I agree. To go back to the beginning I believe it was more than a week after Corrie disappeared that the "bin theory" emerged.

Since then we have learnt that Red Lodge is open 7 days a week (previously understood to have been closed at weekends?), so a great amount of waste transfer happening during that time.

From google searches seems to me the waste is dumped in piles at the transfer station, machine shovelled into tipper trucks then driven to landfill. Going by this seems to me the driver would not remember/know exactly where each load was dumped. He might have moved his truck after dumping half his load ?? Nothing confirmed there.

Personally I cannot go with a body discovery being covered up at any of these places - to me that seems a step too far in theories.

Just AIMO, but I continue to favour the theory that Corrie did leave the Horseshoe unseen by CCTV. Either attempting to attend to some party or just back to base. Walking, accepting a hitch (could have been from a foreign lorry driver who knows nothing of his disappearance) - who knows - I just think he came to grief on his way and his remains will be found one day, sadly.

 

[Cherwell]

I continue to favour the theory that Corrie did leave the Horseshoe unseen by CCTV. Either attempting to attend to some party or just back to base. Walking, accepting a hitch (could have been from a foreign lorry driver who knows nothing of his disappearance) - who knows - I just think he came to grief on his way and his remains will be found one day, sadly.

This is what I think too.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I just think he came to grief on his way and his remains will be found one day, sadly.

That's the explanation that ordinarily would be most likely.

That said, the police thoroughly searched the roadsides alongside his most likely routes very early on. In fact, it was the first line of enquiry they pursued, including sending divers into Ampton Water, during the first week or two of the investigation.

The routes that were searched, including areas of woodland alongside the road, were:

BSE > Great Barton > Great Livermere > Troston > Honington; and
BSE > along the A134 to the turn-off for RAF Honington.

After that they searched along the sides of a number of other roads and came up empty handed.

I don't think it likely that he has been lying anywhere near any of his likely routes home, undiscovered, for over a year. This is an extensively farmed landscape, mostly under arable with a few pig farms. Farmers and landowners will have been all over their land in the 14 months since he went missing. Farmers will have ploughed, sewn, harvested and possible ploughed again since then. Landowners will have checked their patches of woodland, especially if they are using it as cover for game birds.

This is pretty typical of the landscape in the area:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...4!1scYka9Ci_gSJbpBk_puNXfA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There just aren't many places where a body could be simply lying about.

 

[amoreau25]

I’m new to this thread but forgive me if this has already been said but.. does anyone see in this video it looks like one of the “blurred” men all in black turns to follow him ? It looks as if the guy starts to turn but then it cuts off... has that been looked at?

Also I am wondering if it is possible his phone could’ve been thrown in the trash and he was taken in a car? Have the police looked into any cars in the area at that time when he went into the horseshoe area?

would it have been possible for him to cut through the back of those shops to the other side? And if so would there be cameras on the other side?


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[amoreau25]

I’m new to this thread but forgive me if this has already been said but.. does anyone see in this video it looks like one of the “blurred” men all in black turns to follow him ? It looks as if the guy starts to turn but then it cuts off... has that been looked at?

Also I am wondering if it is possible his phone could’ve been thrown in the trash and he was taken in a car? Have the police looked into any cars in the area at that time when he went into the horseshoe area?

would it have been possible for him to cut through the back of those shops to the other side? And if so would there be cameras on the other side?


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This is the video I was talking about:

https://vimeo.com/184714019


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[tarabull]

Men seen in CCTV footage of Corrie McKeague have been identified
September 23, 2017

https://news.sky.com/story/men-seen-in-cctv-footage-of-corrie-mckeague-have-been-identified-11048301

 

[amoreau25]

Men seen in CCTV footage of Corrie McKeague have been identified
September 23, 2017

https://news.sky.com/story/men-seen-in-cctv-footage-of-corrie-mckeague-have-been-identified-11048301

Thanks.. I didn’t see that article... their body language seemed pretty suspicious to me tho


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[Cherwell]

Thanks.. I didn’t see that article... their body language seemed pretty suspicious to me tho

He almost barges into them and they have to step back to get out of his way. There are other versions of this video with less blurring.

C then goes straight to the doorway of the shop a couple of doors down. There is CCTV of the whole of the time he spent there, although it has not been made public.

ETA: The Sky News report refers to some different people whose CCTV images were released more recently. The men outside the pub in the video were never a mystery - they have been said to be either door staff from The Grapes or friends of the band that was playing there. Not sure which is right - perhaps a combination of both.

 

[Amonet]

I'm really sorry for Corrie's family that they're facing another Christmas without Corrie and without answers.

The bin lorry and landfill seems like the logical answer once you have the extra weight in the bin. It explains why no one saw Corrie after him going into the horseshoe, despite a number of people walking past, it explains why C was never spotted leaving the horseshoe, why he wasn't found on the route back to Honington, why he never used his phone or bank accounts again.

We don't have access to the information the police have about the times of vehicles in the area or who was in those vehicles and where they went.

We don't know the exact location of the last phone ping, or even whether it was a ping or just that the phone was stuck on a mast due to not sending a 'goodbye' signal.

If the phone was put in the bin (regardless of who by) it wasn't found in the landfill, so we don't know for certain that it's not with Corrie.

I think a lot of us were drawn to this case by the mystery in it, the poignant footage of a man turning a corner and never seen again. I just wish there had been answers for his family.

 

[altojack]

I’ve tried to look back but failed to find a report of Red Lodge was full so bin lorry went straight to LF. Anyone else recollect that info please?

i still think that due to his depression and pressure on him at the time, he is awol. Have done since the start,