UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #22

[Taskforce88]

I’ve tried to look back but failed to find a report of Red Lodge was full so bin lorry went straight to LF. Anyone else recollect that info please?

i still think that due to his depression and pressure on him at the time, he is awol. Have done since the start,

So he is hiding somewhere watching all the grief his friends and family are going through?

Where is he hiding? whats he using for money? how is he getting money? how did he manage to evade all the CCTV around the country? who is hiding him?

Most of the current and retired senior detectives ruled out AWOL from the start.

Do you believe the hour long phone call with his brother was part of this?

 

[amoreau25]

So he is hiding somewhere watching all the grief his friends and family are going through?

Where is he hiding? whats he using for money? how is he getting money? how did he manage to evade all the CCTV around the country? who is hiding him?

Most of the current and retired senior detectives ruled out AWOL from the start.

Do you believe the hour long phone call with his brother was part of this?

Has anything been said in the media about what that phone call was about?



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[MelmothTheLost]

Has anything been said in the media about what that phone call was about?

Not as far as I can recall. (ETA that I think Darroch said it was just about general things but he was very vague about it)

Once news of April's pregnancy and the estimated birth date emerged there was a lot of speculation as to whether the conversation related to Corrie's forthcoming parenthood, though there's been much uncertainty about whether he was told about it before he went missing or not. However reports in MSM say April discovered she was pregnant in October, so I'm guessing that she might have suspected it around the time he went missing. The precise timing of this is so close and critical.

The baby was born on 18 June 2017, so theoretically conception was around 18 September 2016, though as first babies are typically a few weeks late it's possible that her period was already a few weeks late on the date of his disappearance. It's possible therefore that he was made aware of the possibililty before he went missing. From what I recall the family have said he didn't know, but they have tended to fudge matters when it suited them.

 

[Taskforce88]

I don't think much was said about the phone call, from what I can remember

 

[Scorpio1]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/millionaire-businessman-doubles-reward-find-11699285

so now the reward has doubled to 100k, I can't see it helping IMO ,

 

[Shiressleuth]

I’ve tried to look back but failed to find a report of Red Lodge was full so bin lorry went straight to LF. Anyone else recollect that info please?

i still think that due to his depression and pressure on him at the time, he is awol. Have done since the start,

I remember it was closed so bin lorry went straight to LF.
I have just had a thought. The Red Lodge site itself is on a closed landfill. Is it possible sometimes lorries have still tipped on that old lanfill ? MOO

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I remember it was closed so bin lorry went straight to LF.

I hadn't seen that before. If so, it rules out anything untoward happening at the Red Lodge transfer site, including his remains being sent to a different destination.

I have just had a thought. The Red Lodge site itself is on a closed landfill. Is it possible sometimes lorries have still tipped on that old lanfill ? MOO

You mean illegally? It's not impossible. There's a lot of fly tipping in rural areas, though it's usually by the fly-by-night man-with-a-van and dodgy building and gardening type businesses that do it.

 

[altojack]

So he is hiding somewhere watching all the grief his friends and family are going through?

Where is he hiding? whats he using for money? how is he getting money? how did he manage to evade all the CCTV around the country? who is hiding him?

Most of the current and retired senior detectives ruled out AWOL from the start.

Do you believe the hour long phone call with his brother was part of this?

I hear you and have no answers for you, never did have any answers just a feeling in my gut. As to the phone call, who knows ..............

 

[altojack]

I remember it was closed so bin lorry went straight to LF.
I have just had a thought. The Red Lodge site itself is on a closed landfill. Is it possible sometimes lorries have still tipped on that old lanfill ? MOO

Thank you for remembering, I think a few on here have a few doubts about my memory lol.

so if the Red Lodge site is on a closed landfill, where is the old landfill you’re referring to please?

 

[jessie]

That's the explanation that ordinarily would be most likely.

That said, the police thoroughly searched the roadsides alongside his most likely routes very early on. In fact, it was the first line of enquiry they pursued, including sending divers into Ampton Water, during the first week or two of the investigation.

The routes that were searched, including areas of woodland alongside the road, were:

BSE > Great Barton > Great Livermere > Troston > Honington; and
BSE > along the A134 to the turn-off for RAF Honington.

After that they searched along the sides of a number of other roads and came up empty handed.

I don't think it likely that he has been lying anywhere near any of his likely routes home, undiscovered, for over a year. This is an extensively farmed landscape, mostly under arable with a few pig farms. Farmers and landowners will have been all over their land in the 14 months since he went missing. Farmers will have ploughed, sewn, harvested and possible ploughed again since then. Landowners will have checked their patches of woodland, especially if they are using it as cover for game birds.

This is pretty typical of the landscape in the area:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...4!1scYka9Ci_gSJbpBk_puNXfA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There just aren't many places where a body could be simply lying about.

Appreciate your response, and the map.

I do not know the area, but was checking back on this posted in the first thread (!! long time ago) and thought maybe a possibility C walked further along the A 134 ? Chance of course, but the lakes, the very wooded areas - may be possible he tried to cut across, especially the Ampton area ?

I'm discounting that he may have been hit by a passing vehicle on a road, thinking more there is a possibility he may have come to grief somewhere like that.

I suppose I am hoping he met an accidental end that couldn't have been foreseen.


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/R...565e638e48f9!2m2!1d0.7104932!2d52.2429228!3e2

Close to a 3 hour walk it says. That lake there is worrying, if he tried to take a short cut or got lost :/

 

[altojack]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/corrie-mckeagues-dad-reveals-know-10471787

Knew Id seen this somewhere. This confirmed to me that he was under pressure adding to his depression.

 

[Cherwell]

I’ve tried to look back but failed to find a report of Red Lodge was full so bin lorry went straight to LF. Anyone else recollect that info please?

I doubt that is correct, as there was a recent search of the transfer site.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-41802293

 

[Taskforce88]

I hear you and have no answers for you, never did have any answers just a feeling in my gut. As to the phone call, who knows ..............

Its what I thought initially, i'm open-minded about the whole case. I think we have to be.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I do not know the area, but was checking back on this posted in the first thread (!! long time ago) and thought maybe a possibility C walked further along the A 134 ?

It's not impossible he walked further up that road but since he was very familiar with the area I can't see any reason for him to overshoot the turn-off for RAF Honington at that time of the morning. If he walked home at all he would have been wanting his bed and to check on his pup.

Chance of course, but the lakes, the very wooded areas - may be possible he tried to cut across, especially the Ampton area ?

Again, not impossible but there are virtually no public footpaths and bridleways in the area so if he goes off-road he will be trespassing. He'd also need to find his way across country in the dark, though from memory (this was discussed early on) there was enough of a moon and a clear sky for him to be able to see quite well once his night vision had kicked in. Much of the landscape there is under arable, typically wheat and barley which was cut to light coloured stubble at the times. Not only does that mean he should have been able to see where he was going but also that his body would be very obvious if he'd died in a field.

Other than Ampton Water there are virtually no bodies of water around there other than the odd pond and the moat round an old fortified manor house. I just don't think his body could have been lying out there somewhere between BSE and Honington without someone having come across it in the past 15 months. It's just not that sort of landscape.

Close to a 3 hour walk it says. That lake there is worrying, if he tried to take a short cut or got lost :/

The lake is Ampton Water, an ornamental lake in the grounds of an historic house. It was searched by police divers within a week or so of him going missing.

As to a 3 hour walk, only at a fairly ambling pace. As a fit young servicement he could have jogged that distance in an hour quite easily had he not been drunk. At a fast walk or march, within 90 - 120 minutes.

 

[Miss_French]

Has anything been said in the media about what that phone call was about?



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Wasn't it that they were discussing C going home for Halloween or his brother visiting him? It was said D had made several calls to C during the Friday. It was also the source of the C was "beyond happy" comment.

I also wonder if the phone call was when C said he hadn't originally planned on going out that night. Taking his car into town, going clubbing, only leaving the club because he was asked (so he could have been planning on staying until the end, 3am-ish?), making no approach to the taxi rank. Doesn't seem to me to be someone planning on going to a party somewhere; where did that story originate, about the house party with the American couple? Haven't seen it anywhere except anecdotally on here.

 

[Sark06]

I remember it was closed so bin lorry went straight to LF.
I have just had a thought. The Red Lodge site itself is on a closed landfill. Is it possible sometimes lorries have still tipped on that old lanfill ? MOO

It's possible any of the practices we believe happen with waste management are not as we think, if C is not in the landfill why was the second verified weight of the bin enough to have included C? I think the answers lie with a major audit of the landfill and recycling plant procedures and what measures are taken to check up on what is said

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Doesn't seem to me to be someone planning on going to a party somewhere; where did that story originate, about the house party with the American couple? Haven't seen it anywhere except anecdotally on here.

At this distance in time and after so much media coverage I can't remember where that claim came from. However I suspect there must have been a credible MSM source or mention of it would be out of bounds.

 

[altojack]

I doubt that is correct, as there was a recent search of the transfer site.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-41802293

Sorry can’t quote two posts at once but please see post 786. Transfer sight was closed and bin lorry drove on to Red Lidge LF.

 

[Sark06]

There's only 3 possibilities
1. Foul play.
2. Accident.
3. Awol.

Now the LF is off the table we should explore them all.
Time for a new poll Cags to see which is the one thought most likely perhaps, then we could go from there?

I still think he is in the landfill, there have been several inconsistencies in the info given relating to the bin collection on that night, I think the search area will be another of those and he will be in some other part of the waste disposal sites 😢 we were all completely convinced he could not have been in the bin lorry until that was proved wrong 🤔

 

[Cherwell]

Sorry can’t quote two posts at once but please see post 786. Transfer sight was closed and bin lorry drove on to Red Lidge LF.

There's no source given in that post, and the waste transfer station is at Red Lodge. The landfill site is at Milton.

There has been a lot of contradictory information regarding the movements of the bin lorry and the status of various waste sites.
However I think that the fact that they searched the Red Lodge site implies that it was open and that the bin lorry did go there.