UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #23

[jeangenie]

From the beginning this one gave of an uncertainty which never seemed to lessen.

 

[Cherwell]

Interesting. What could accidentally catch fire at a landfill? I imagine there are strict rules about not smoking there.

I once bought some teak oil for furniture, and was alarmed to read that rags or cloths that have been used to apply it are a fire hazard as they can spontaneously combust. I had no idea! I would probably have put them in with the other polishing and cleaning cloths had I not read the instructions.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

You're right, the lorry has to drive without rubbish flying out of the back, but Cagney was referring to stopping at Red Lodge Waste Transfer Station, when the back would have been opened for emptying. However, I eould have thought that would happen in a oner (open back, tip out rubbish) rather than the lorry sitting there open for enough time for someone to climb out of the back. Then C would have had to get off the site without being seen.

I don't understand how this could work. Surely a lorry driver doesn't just pitch up at any time of the day or night to a (manned or unmanned?) industrial site and dump a load without interacting with somebody at the site, ie a member of the day crew or a night watchman. In practice it's very likely that had Corrie been in the lorry he would have been crushed or suffocated by the rubbish being compacted around him by the compacting ram. At best I suspect he would have been injured which would make it difficult for him to either escape from the lorry or dig his way out of the heap of rubbish.

From memory we have never had an explanation of what actually goes on at this transfer station. Presumably a lorry comes in, unloads rubbish but into what? Another vehicle? A holding skip or hopper? We discussed at some length many months ago the various recycling places on that small road leading off the A1085. They seem to be primarily engaged in the recycling of vehicles and other metals so I don't see how rotting meat pies fit into that. Maybe there's another facility that we haven't noticed yet.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Very much doubt it's smoking. Landfill fires aren't uncommon and it's usually just a chemical reaction. Heat generated as items break down, fuel from other rubbish, oxygen if there are pockets of air or waste not yet covered. No different to peat or compost heaps!

I believe that the breakdown of organic matter produces methane which is extremely flammable.

 

[Miss_French]

I believe that the breakdown of organic matter produces methane which is extremely flammable.

Not just the organic stuff; they said they found mobile phones in the waste so pople are throwing away lithium-ion batteries - and probably general purpose household batteries too - which are a major fire risk.

 

[Miss_French]

I don't understand how this could work. Surely a lorry driver doesn't just pitch up at any time of the day or night to a (manned or unmanned?) industrial site and dump a load without interacting with somebody at the site, ie a member of the day crew or a night watchman. In practice it's very likely that had Corrie been in the lorry he would have been crushed or suffocated by the rubbish being compacted around him by the compacting ram. At best I suspect he would have been injured which would make it difficult for him to either escape from the lorry or dig his way out of the heap of rubbish.

From memory we have never had an explanation of what actually goes on at this transfer station. Presumably a lorry comes in, unloads rubbish but into what? Another vehicle? A holding skip or hopper? We discussed at some length many months ago the various recycling places on that small road leading off the A1085. They seem to be primarily engaged in the recycling of vehicles and other metals so I don't see how rotting meat pies fit into that. Maybe there's another facility that we haven't noticed yet.

That's what I meant; that there'd be little opportunity for C to get out as the lorry wouldn't park with the back open and there's too many chances gor C to be seen.

A waste transfer station is a covered area (warehouse or even just covered bays) where local bin lorries dump their waste so they can get back out on their routes. The waste is sorted to remove recyclables from general waste and dangerous items and then loaded into different lorries to be taken further afield to landfill, rcycling centre or incinerator. It's perfectly possible for food waste to end up there; items put in business bins should bagged in black or clear sacks to be identified as just waste or recycling. However, the bins in the HS could have anything chucked in by the public.

Waste transfer begs the question of how C was missed in sorting. It also caused the confusion over bin lorries as the waste from BSE was taken to Milton in more than 1 lorry and that's why the police had to search different areas of the landfil for the different areas where the lorries were emptied.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

A waste transfer station is a covered area (warehouse or even just covered bays) where local bin lorries dump their waste so they can get back out on their routes. The waste is sorted to remove recyclables from general waste and dangerous items and then loaded into different lorries to be taken further afield to landfill, rcycling centre or incinerator. It's perfectly possible for food waste to end up there; items put in business bins should bagged in black or clear sacks to be identified as just waste or recycling. However, the bins in the HS could have anything chucked in by the public.

Noted and snipped.

I'm actually confused as to where this waste transfer station actually is. Many moons ago we discussed the various recycling facilities on a backroad called The Corrops to the SE of Red Lodge but judging by the satellite view all of the sites on that road appear to be involved in vehicle dismantling and metal recycling. In fact vehicle dismantling seems to be something of a local industry as there's at least one other site in the village.

Google Maps

It really doesn't look likely that any of these sites is where mixed commercial waste would be taken and transferred.

It's interesting to zoom in on the latest satallite images of Red Lodge and see just how extensive the current housebuilding there is. Three or four large new estates have been built very recently or are under development. I suppose it's possible that the site to which Corrie might have been taken (if he was in the bin lorry) could have been earmarked for development and has since vanished.

 

[Miss_French]

Noted and snipped.

I'm actually confused as to where this waste transfer station actually is. Many moons ago we discussed the various recycling facilities on a backroad called The Corrops to the SE of Red Lodge but judging by the satellite view all of the sites on that road appear to be involved in vehicle dismantling and metal recycling. In fact vehicle dismantling seems to be something of a local industry as there's at least one other site in the village.

Google Maps

It really doesn't look likely that any of these sites is where mixed commercial waste would be taken and transferred.

It's interesting to zoom in on the latest satallite images of Red Lodge and see just how extensive the current housebuilding there is. Three or four large new estates have been built very recently or are under development. I suppose it's possible that the site to which Corrie might have been taken (if he was in the bin lorry) could have been earmarked for development and has since vanished.

I believe it's NE of that car breakers, on Green Lane (same road as the school). The place with the long grey rooves.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

An interesting story in the Wail today:

'We DON'T blame you!': Family of man crushed to death in refuse truck after falling asleep in bin on night out shake hands with binmen at his inquest

The family of a father who was crushed to death in the back of a refuse truck offered handshakes to the binmen at his inquest telling them: 'We don't blame you.'

James 'Jay' McLaren, 28, climbed into a bin on a night out in Sunderland city centre and suffered fatal injures when the rubbish was collected in the early hours.

Ryan Medlock and Paul Jeffrey, who work for Max Recycle, were on that night and emptied the bin containing Mr McLaren into the back of their truck. The next day his body was found at a waste recycling centre.

In a statement to the court they said they saw or heard nothing to suggest that anyone had climbed into one of the 1,100 litre refuse containers.

Family of man crushed to death in refuse truck shake hands with binmen at his inquest | Daily Mail Online

 

[Miss_French]

An interesting story in the Wail today:

'We DON'T blame you!': Family of man crushed to death in refuse truck after falling asleep in bin on night out shake hands with binmen at his inquest



Family of man crushed to death in refuse truck shake hands with binmen at his inquest | Daily Mail Online

I wonder what checks these binmen did for them to say "they saw or heard nothing to suggest that anyone had climbed into one of the 1,100 litre refuse containers." Could it be it is possible to miss a body in a bin? And would he have been found at the recycling centre if the family hadn't traced his phone? He doesn't appear to have been seen as the lorry was emptied and they had to search for him.

 

[PaulSimon]

I know alcohol makes people do crazy things but climbing in bins really does baffle me. It was so lucky that this chap had the find my iPhone app. It’s such a shame Corrie didn’t have the same. With the amount of technology these days you’d think there would be more ways to trace people.

 

[guruagain]

The carousel comes round again...
Police say missing RAF airman Corrie McKeague's body IS in waste disposal system | Daily Mail Online

 

[Cherwell]

Nothing new there.
Cue Nicola ......

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Honestly. I wish they'd just publish the damn bin weights, because we've been told it was abnormally heavy and also that it was typical. I'd like to know.

 

[Cherwell]

"This investigation has found no other reasonable explanation for that unusually high bin weight"

For heaven's sake, have Suffolk Police never heard of fly-tipping? You've got a backstreet service area full of commercial bins, easily accessible by vehicles. Anybody could have dumped anything in that bin.

 

[gregjrichards]

I’m so sorry they were unable to find Corrie in the landfill. It must be awful to know your loved one has died and their remains are in one of the worst places imaginable. I think of little Etan Patz being in the landfill too it is a horrific and horrendous place for a human being to be buried.

 

[ekardh]

Adverts for business bin collection now appearing on this page, i find that a bit distasteful my self, i know that websluthes need adds but they need to be filterd appropriatelly,

They don't have any control over that.

 

[Miss_French]

"Corrie McKeague's mum has vowed to track down the mysterious 'McDonald's Man' police have stopped looking for in the search for the missing airman - as she insisted she hasn't given up hope of finding her son."

https://www-mirror-co-uk.cdn.amppro...-news/corrie-mckeagues-mum-vows-find-13393611

 

[PaulSimon]

I genuinely don’t think McDonald’s Man has anything to do with Corrie’s disappearance

Older people tend to not use the internet he may not even know about all this and that’s why he hadn’t come forward. Or maybe he’s even passed away himself

I think he was just someone travelling through that morning hence the backpack etc.

 

[Antonia]

<modsnip - discussing family SM>

But the apparent ineptitude of the police to back themselves into a corner so that they end up spending millions searching the landfill (twice) is appalling. I think that they have let down all of Corrie’s family (and the public) in the way they have handled the case. NU may have made some mistakes/mis-judgements along the way, but the police are supposed to be professional!