GUILTY Uk - Emile Cilliers Accused Of Tampering W/ Wife's Parachute, Wiltshire, 5 April 2015

[Alyce]

Blimey, is this STILL going on?!?! What's occurring? (or not)

Exactly Cags - 4th full day today and no sign of any verdict - worrying

 

[minusfour]

I'm in Australia and about to go to bed. Hopefully wake up to a verdict. C'mon jury.

 

[Moll]

But this is what it says on the court listings:

Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:02
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:00 - 10:09

Why? Haven't they retired to consider the verdict again? Oh well - we'll soon see I suppose.

 

[Alyce]

Ah here we go, finally something


Helena Lee‏Verified account @BBCHelenaLee
10m10 minutes ago

PARACHUTE TRIAL: jury has just been given a majority (of 10 jurors) direction by the judge. They've been deliberating on the case for just over 22 hours in this 7 week trial.


Gordon Chree‏Verified account @gordonchree
7m7 minutes ago

The judge at the trial of Emile Cilliers, accused of attempting to murder his Scottish wife Victoria, has told the jury he can accept a majority verdict - on which at least 10 are agreed

 

[Legally Bland]

I wonder if it's just one charge they can't agree on.

 

[Moll]

Ah here we go, finally something


Helena Lee‏Verified account @BBCHelenaLee
10m10 minutes ago

PARACHUTE TRIAL: jury has just been given a majority (of 10 jurors) direction by the judge. They've been deliberating on the case for just over 22 hours in this 7 week trial.


Gordon Chree‏Verified account @gordonchree
7m7 minutes ago

The judge at the trial of Emile Cilliers, accused of attempting to murder his Scottish wife Victoria, has told the jury he can accept a majority verdict - on which at least 10 are agreed

The prediction of Mystic Tortoise has come to pass.

 

[Tortoise]

You on the fence Legally?

 

[Tortoise]

If they haven't convinced 10 of the jurors there is a problem we aren't aware of.

 

[Legally Bland]

You on the fence Legally?

I think he's guilty on all counts, it's just hard to tell from the court reporting if the prosecution has enough.

VC's evidence and the judge's summing up worry me a bit.

 

[Alyce]

So almost the end of another day and no sign of a verdict.

They have to be at least 9 - 3 then at the moment ( if not worse ).

I thought, but I may be mistaken, that before the Judge gave them the majority ruling, he asks them if there is a good chance they can reach a verdict based on a majority count. Not sure on that point ?
The other point ( while we're waiting ) is the status of the juror who will depart on Friday ( or Thursday PM ).
If that Juror is one of the 3 on the minority side, then it may be easier for the other 9 to only have to convince one of the remaining 2 jurors to change their mind.

On the other hand, if that juror is on the majority side - assume 9 - then they really will be stuck I think.

 

[Tortoise]

Oh for goodness sake. Juror unwell.

 

[Tortoise]

[FONT=&amp]A juror in the trial is unwell and has been taken for treatment. The 11 other jurors have been told to go home for the evening and to return to court for 10.30am tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee
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[Tortoise]

What if one is unwell requiring hospital stay and another goes on holiday. What then..

 

[Alyce]

What if one is unwell requiring hospital stay and another goes on holiday. What then..

Wonder if this is the same juror who was unwell last week.

I think they're done for if that happens !

 

[Alyce]

Ah no, I was wrong. So they can still get a verdict in with 10 jurors.




What are majority verdicts?

The jury will be told when they first retire that they must reach a unanimous verdict.
Since 1974 juries have been allowed, in certain circumstances, to reach a majority verdict.
This is a verdict of 11-1 or 10-2.

If some jurors have been discharged during the trial, perhaps because of illness, then if there are 11 jurors there can be a verdict of 10-1.
If there are 10 jurors, then 9-1 is acceptable.
If there are 9 or fewer jurors then the verdict has to be unanimous.


http://ukcriminallawblog.com/how-do-juries-decide-a-case/

 

[Alyce]

Another day .........


Winchester 3
T20160267

emile stolz cilliers
Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:06

 

[Moll]

Yes...but now the jury in the other case in court 3 has retired too, so the Cilliers jury could conveniently conclude their deliberations and get back into court.
EDIT Spoke too soon. There's another case starting in there now.

 

[Alyce]

Winchester 3 T20160267

emile stolz cilliers

Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:06
Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 11:53
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:00 - 12:06

 

[Tortoise]

Give me 5 minutes with them. :gaah:

 

[Shiressleuth]

I've been checking in here for the verdict since Friday. Am wondering if the sticking points are the other way and only 2 or 3 jurors think he is guilty? :frown: