GUILTY Uk - Emile Cilliers Accused Of Tampering W/ Wife's Parachute, Wiltshire, 5 April 2015

[Moll]

I don't know that he needs to drop a clanger (coming clean by accident, you mean?) He seems to make very little real effort to defend himself just as Victoria does her best not to be involved in helping his prosecution. It seems to me this case should stand or fall on the objective evidence - which remains very strong.

But it has been so hard to get a feeling for the way the case is going when we have so often been left with nothing but the framework of proceedings, that I feel unsure what the outcome will be.

 

[Tortoise]

I don't know that he needs to drop a clanger (coming clean by accident, you mean?) He seems to make very little real effort to defend himself just as Victoria does her best not to be involved in helping his prosecution. It seems to me this case should stand or fall on the objective evidence - which remains very strong.

But it has been so hard to get a feeling for the way the case is going when we have so often been left with nothing but the framework of proceedings, that I feel unsure what the outcome will be.

No I didn't mean come clean, I meant shown them enough deceit / stories changing, been caught out with clever questioning so that he couldn't backtrack.

I agree it's impossible to get a feel for this.

 

[Alyce]

Trial (Part Heard) - Summing Up - 11:00
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 12:00 - 11:47


Am guessing for an early finish here today.
I would think Prosecution would prefer to do his closing on Monday, same as Defence, rather than leave the week end gap in between.

But still strange that it seems as though EC's four day stint last time has been condensed down into 1.5 days plus an hour or so this morning.

 

[Tortoise]

Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Closing Speech - 12:03

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Winchester-Crown-Court.php

 

[Moll]

Well, they're rattling along - perhaps we'll get both closing speeches this afternoon!

 

[Alyce]

Ah well, there goes my Mystic Meg status...

 

[Alyce]

Just looking back at today's court listing, it doesn't actually say Witness 38 was on the stand ?

even odder if he hasnt given any evidence today

 

[Alyce]

Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Closing Speech - 12:03
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:00 - 13:03
Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Closing Speech - 14:06

 

[Tortoise]

Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 15:20 - 15:11
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 09:30 - 15:34

 

[Tortoise]

The jury could be out by the time we meet again in our new abode!

 

[Alyce]

The jury could be out by the time we meet again in our new abode!

Hope so - see you all on the other side next week :wave:

 

[Tortoise]

I feel this must be a mistake but this is what is tweeted

https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire

[FONT=&amp]The judge has begun summing up at the trial of Wiltshire Army Sergeant Emile [/FONT]Cilliers[FONT=&amp], who's accused of attempting to murder his wife twice and also recklessly endangering life. He denies all the charges. [/FONT]

 

[Alyce]

I wonder if the Judge is following this procedure - I know its not the Old Bailey, but perhaps the practice has spread to other Crown Courts.


Some Judges at the Old Bailey have recently been adopting the practice of delivering their summing up in two parts - legal directions to the jury, including a written “Route to Verdict”, ahead of closing speeches, and the summary of the facts afterwards.



http://www.5pb.co.uk/blog/2015/10/15/closing_speech_sandwiches/

 

[Alyce]

Found another one - so looks as though summing up can take place before closings


There are two parts to a judge’s summing-up:

Part 1 - legal directions;
Part 2 - a summary of the evidence in the case, including the prosecution and defence cases.

A judge is entitled to give the first part of the summing-up (legal directions) before closing speeches if (s)he thinks it will assist the jury.

https://www.defence-barrister.co.uk/crown-court-trial-part-3/

 

[Tortoise]

Ah, interesting.

And it did say summing up on the court listing.

 

[Legally Bland]

It happened in a case yesterday too. I guess it must be a new thing. Luckily there was some court reporting to stop my confusion.

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/crown-court-daily/40/lists/2018-05-17

[FONT=&amp]11:35 JOHN SCHEERHOUT[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Judge is beginning summing up: 'Defendants do not have to prove anything'

The judge, Mr Justice William Davis, gives the jury a 20-page document titled ‘directions of law’ which he said they must apply in this case.

Describing the burden of proof which applies in this and every other case, he said:

“The prosecution brought this case against these three defendants and the prosecution have the burden of proving it throughout.”

​

Even though the defendants had given evidence, the judge said the burden did not fall on them to prove anything.
He told the jury:

“The prosecution prove their case if on all of the evidence you are satisfied so that you are sure of the guilt of each defendant you are considering.
“Another way of expressing that that standard is that you are satisfied beyond reasonable doubt.”
​

[/FONT]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...r-news/walkden-house-fire-trial-live-14598271

 

[Moll]

Thanks for those clarifications.
It's still odd though if that tweet came after the prosecution closing speech (from the listings we don't know if that's finished, do we?)
I was hoping - well, I'm sure we all are, given how little reporting we've had this time - we'd get some reporting of the closing speeches. I am interested to see how the defence will be presented this time - the pantomime villain line again?

 

[Alyce]

Agree Moll - I hope we will get some reporting of the closings and definately hope the defence doesn't take the pantomime line again.

 

[Moll]

It would be sod's law if tomorrow saw lots of reporting just when we can't come here to talk about it!

 

[Alyce]

Ha ha Moll, so true. We will have to save it, if there is any interesting reportage, and then log it on here when we get back to full working order.