UK - Five Bamber family members dead at White House Farm, Essex, 7 August 1985

  • #141
It’s true that Nick Milbank caveated the conversations he had with Heidi Blake (‘it was a long time ago’ etc) but he comes across in the recordings as perfectly lucid and consistent. And these recordings make it crystal clear he knew exactly who he was talking to when Blake spoke with him. So Essex Police’s statement that he’d been hoodwinked in some way is evidently utter nonsense.

One thing he was especially certain of is that the statement attributed to him in 2002, that basically torpedoed his earlier claim to have answered a call from inside the house while Bamber was standing outside of it, had nothing to do with him. But following the article’s publication and after a chat with Essex Police (and he was still an employee of the force at the time, so we can imagine how that went down) he apparently changed his mind - how strange!

Of course, no one should have expected better than this from our boys in blue - but the CCRC plumbed new depths with their handling of this new evidence. After being told by the New Yorker that the magazine wouldn’t share with them its source material, the CCRC could’ve got off their backsides and interviewed Milbank themselves - but instead, they let Essex Police do it then took the force at their word. It’s quite astonishing.

Surely the main point regarding Milbank and the possible phone call is that if he’d been monitoring the line for around 90 minutes and had heard nothing (none of the sounds and movements he told Blake he might’ve heard), then wouldn’t Milbank have made for an important witness for the prosecution? His testimony would’ve supported the prosecution’s case that everyone inside of the house at that point was dead, having been killed by Bamber. So why was his existence apparently hidden for so long? You’d have thought this line of thinking might’ve occurred to the CCRC too, but evidently not.

The CCRC also discounted other statements made to Blake by others involved in this case, without apparently speaking to these individuals themselves. One can only speculate as to why!
 
  • #142
It’s true that Nick Milbank caveated the conversations he had with Heidi Blake (‘it was a long time ago’ etc) but he comes across in the recordings as perfectly lucid and consistent. And these recordings make it crystal clear he knew exactly who he was talking to when Blake spoke with him. So Essex Police’s statement that he’d been hoodwinked in some way is evidently utter nonsense.

One thing he was especially certain of is that the statement attributed to him in 2002, that basically torpedoed his earlier claim to have answered a call from inside the house while Bamber was standing outside of it, had nothing to do with him. But following the article’s publication and after a chat with Essex Police (and he was still an employee of the force at the time, so we can imagine how that went down) he apparently changed his mind - how strange!

Of course, no one should have expected better than this from our boys in blue - but the CCRC plumbed new depths with their handling of this new evidence. After being told by the New Yorker that the magazine wouldn’t share with them its source material, the CCRC could’ve got off their backsides and interviewed Milbank themselves - but instead, they let Essex Police do it then took the force at their word. It’s quite astonishing.

Surely the main point regarding Milbank and the possible phone call is that if he’d been monitoring the line for around 90 minutes and had heard nothing (none of the sounds and movements he told Blake he might’ve heard), then wouldn’t Milbank have made for an important witness for the prosecution? His testimony would’ve supported the prosecution’s case that everyone inside of the house at that point was dead, having been killed by Bamber. So why was his existence apparently hidden for so long? You’d have thought this line of thinking might’ve occurred to the CCRC too, but evidently not.

The CCRC also discounted other statements made to Blake by others involved in this case, without apparently speaking to these individuals themselves. One can only speculate as to why!
Take the points on process and lack of curiosity. But is anyone seriously suggesting the CCRC got the decision wrong? Whatever the failings of the initial investigation (significant), the 'new evidence' is really thin gruel.
 
  • #143
They reached their decision after failing to interrogate the evidence. With respect, it’s not for us nor for Essex police to decide how thin that evidence is, it’s up to the CCRC - that’s their job. They’re blessed with investigative powers, so why not use them? They absolutely should’ve spoken to Milbank while they had the chance, instead they simply appear to have accepted Milbank’s statement - released via Essex police - which we now know was a load of old rubbish.

The issue of Sheila’s DNA not being present in the silencer, while not technically new, also makes something of a mockery of the case against Bamber. What the jury was told in 1985 wasn’t correct - not only might the blood have belonged to someone other than Sheila, but when the silencer was tested for DNA in 2000 it appears none of Sheila’s DNA could be found.

The explanation that previous testing had probably destroyed any trace of Sheila’s DNA seems absurd to me and was deemed by a DNA expert interviewed by the New Yorker as ‘possible’ but ‘suspect … not reasonable’, particularly when considering that profiles belonging to *other* individuals *were* found at the same time that Sheila’s wasn’t.

Unless I’m mistaken, there currently appears to be no evidence that Sheila’s blood was ever in the silencer? Which seems quite extraordinary, given what the jury were told in ‘85.
 
  • #144
weather he did or not i dont know but its clearly an unsafe conviction there should be a retrial at least
 
  • #145
Indeed. The case against Bamber that was presented in ‘86 (got my years mixed up in my prior post) resulted only in a majority verdict. And it’s a case that has only become weaker with the passing of time. Not weak enough to exonerate him - there’s almost no chance that such a piece of evidence exists. But a jury today could in my view reach a very different conclusion.

This case absolutely should be heard again in a modern court imo.
 

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