CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[TMich6811]

Child Protective Services generally request previous three years' tax return when
verifying income, financial stability, or addressing support obligations.

Given we know nothing about CPS involvement here we have no idea what they knew or requested

 

[TMich6811]

The story that MBM lost her CTC benefits because DM didn't file taxes... makes me think we all have some very critical details missing.

I just find it really hard to believe 5 people were living off his 1 shift a week at the mill.

jmo

I think there’s a lot of unknown here. Thus brainstorming over the tax convo that started and why they may not be receiving the benefit.

 

[MistyWaters]

The story that MBM lost her CTC benefits because DM didn't file taxes... makes me think we all have some very critical details missing.

I just find it really hard to believe 5 people were living off his 1 shift a week at the mill.

jmo

Just far fetched speculation, the CTC benefits were being paid but the money was going somewhere else. IIRC it her grandmother who she told this story to. I could be wrong. Regardless it was the same person who repeated that she had said DM wasn’t treating her well, so rightly or wrongly, so why not pile the blame on him for the money issues? Just because it’s apparently true her ex quit paying child support doesn’t prove DM wasn’t filing his tax and they weren’t getting CTC, which IIRC worked out to $1900 per month.

I’ve always felt there’s much more to MBM than her racing away in silence to this very day, although I don’t believe she harmed her children.

But what would cause a financial drain? Blackmail, drug addiction, online gambling addiction, helping out someone else in greater dire need? Could be anything.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Child Protective Services generally request previous three years' tax return when
verifying income, financial stability, or addressing support obligations.

Yes I would expect that assessing the financial situation of parents to ensure they have the means to adequately care for the wellbeing of their children is a basic component of CPS’s investigation.

Especially because in Canada that’s what the CCB is supposed to provide.

Canada child benefit (CCB) - Canada.ca

The Canada child benefit (CCB) is a tax-free monthly payment for eligible families to help with the cost of raising children under 18 years old.

www.canada.ca

 

[TMich6811]

Yes it would make sense for any child welfare agency to be involved in finances.

The comment in reference here wasn’t about child welfare being involved in her finances or if they had knowledge about any type of income.

It was about “surely she’d disclose” being an assumption that could be made. IMO and in my experience, as I said, one isn’t so quick to disclose until they are forced to. Especially if any of the circumstances reported are accurate.

I don’t understand how this conversation jumped from what M would do to the obligations of CPS but it’s 2 different convos

 

[Slebby]

All we know, really, about the reason for the CPS investigation is what has been stated in MSM by DM, that it was about the kids’ suspected autism and falling behind in school, nothing more. If that’s the case, would CPS even ask about finances?
IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

All we know, really, about the reason for the CPS investigation is what has been stated in MSM by DM, that it was about the kids’ suspected autism and falling behind in school, nothing more. If that’s the case, would CPS even ask about finances?
IMO

Somebody associated with the children’s school spoke to the media, perhaps it was the G&M and iirc stated the children were dirty and dressed poorly, didn’t have winter coats. I can’t remember if there was anything else.

I’ll see what I can find but DM wasn’t the only person who spoke of the CPS report of the children from the school.

ETA. It’s contained within this paylocked article. The quote is from somebody at the school, not DM

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Somebody associated with the children’s school spoke to the media, perhaps it was the G&M and iirc stated the children were dirty and dressed poorly, didn’t have winter coats. I can’t remember if there was anything else.

I’ll see what I can find but DM wasn’t the only person who spoke of the CPS report of the children from the school.

ETA. It’s contained within this paylocked article. The quote is from somebody at the school, not DM
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I was just going to write the same thing. The same source said that Jack arrived to school twice with a black eye.

 

[martinko]

It's closing in on a year since these babies went missing. I cannot believe there hasn't been any kind of break in this case! I am also shocked that it never really garnered national attention for very long. I have brought it up in conversations and have not had one person who has known about it. I guess if they were found murdered, people would pay more attention, and missing is just meh? And I live a half hour from the border with Canada, 1.5 hours to Ottawa, etc. So, we do have Canadian news here.

Maybe I followed this case because the kids were close to my granddaughter's age, I don't know. Some cases just call out to me and I have taken a break from WS for a bit, but keep popping in to check and see. The latest case of Christopher Palmer missing in the Outer Banks brought me back.

Just wanted to chime in that we definitely had local coverage on the case (I live near the Ontario border with Quebec). I actually found out about it from my mom, who heard about it on the radio. I'm not sure there's been much coverage since, but honestly there hasn't been much development to report on. I check in on the case every once and a while. I'm quite familiar with a lot of missing persons cases in forested areas and how hard it can be to search, but I can't think of a single other case where two children went missing simultaneously and no trace was ever found. I really hope this doesn't turn into a Summer Wells situation, I want these kids to be found really badly.

 

[FromGermany1]

I’d give it about 2% odds that DM was concerned about getting audited. The tax avoidance focus of CRA is always upon wealthy high income earners, particularly self-employed individuals, not down and out folks living in run down mobile homes in any province.

Working in a sawmill with dependants, I’d bet DM was a low income earner and if so, he’d be eligible to collect far more benefits than tax he’d ever be required to pay. However taxes must be filed in order to be eligible to collect Employment Insurance Benefits, GST refunds, Carbon Tax rebates and any eligible COVID benefits. This is how it is.

It would’ve been good if the ‘source’ of this story was asked if MBM never collected Canada Child Benefit the entire time the couple were together (and if so why did she stay?) or was it just a short term thing. A couple a months is a quite different scenario than a couple of years.
JMO

Perhaps he worked only 1 shift/week, because otherwise he would have had to pay aliment to his first wife or his 2 children or all three? Many men do it, afaik, and they have to hide a lot of things re income. If DM doesn't know the law exactly, he doesn't know, what to hide and how - so he is hiding from/to all things, which are connected with money (like all around taxes). MOO

 

[LadyL]

Months after Nova Scotia children vanished, a clearer picture emerges of their lives before their disappearance

There are still few answers about missing siblings Jack and Lilly Sullivan, but trauma and stigma have left their families and community farther apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

Love this article as its so detailed it has previously been posted but it gives detailed information on the blanket also some where wondering what happened that Maleyha ended up in the ambulance it gives insight into that too

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did you subscribe? it's a paywall for me

 

[su5ie]

did you subscribe? it's a paywall for me

No ,it was free to read for me

There is some free to read link posted in last 10 pages of this thread I think

 

[MistyWaters]

Perhaps he worked only 1 shift/week, because otherwise he would have had to pay aliment to his first wife or his 2 children or all three? Many men do it, afaik, and they have to hide a lot of things re income. If DM doesn't know the law exactly, he doesn't know, what to hide and how - so he is hiding from/to all things, which are connected with money (like all around taxes). MOO

In areas with high unemployment there can often be a friendly arrangement whereby employers keep on as many employees as possible but only give them enough hours to qualify for Employment Insurance. Then when times are better the employees return. This arrangement might become a regular yearly cycle especially if the work tends to be seasonal.

But yes it’s certainly true that some deadbeat dads work as little as possible to avoid increases in child support payments.
JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

Just far fetched speculation, the CTC benefits were being paid but the money was going somewhere else. IIRC it her grandmother who she told this story to. I could be wrong. Regardless it was the same person who repeated that she had said DM wasn’t treating her well, so rightly or wrongly, so why not pile the blame on him for the money issues? Just because it’s apparently true her ex quit paying child support doesn’t prove DM wasn’t filing his tax and they weren’t getting CTC, which IIRC worked out to $1900 per month.

I’ve always felt there’s much more to MBM than her racing away in silence to this very day, although I don’t believe she harmed her children.

But what would cause a financial drain? Blackmail, drug addiction, online gambling addiction, helping out someone else in greater dire need? Could be anything.
JMO

Yes, it's possible, when, of course, anything is possible. We have to keep in mind that the Canada Child Benefit payments are given to the mother as primary caregiver, not the father, apart from exceptional cases. So if the payments were being received, then DM would not have control over that money.

I agree with you, that the comment made by grandmother about the CCB not coming in because DM didn't file his income tax might not be true.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, it's possible, when, of course, anything is possible. We have to keep in mind that the Canada Child Benefit payments are given to the mother as primary caregiver, not the father, apart from exceptional cases. So if the payments were being received, then DM would not have control over that money.

I agree with you, that the comment made by grandmother about the CCB not coming in because DM didn't file his income tax might not be true.

It’s interesting to reflect, how a lot of people tend to discount every word DM says, then to the polar opposite believe everything MBM has told others. People in real life are generally not so decipherable, especially those who we don’t personally know.
JMO

 

[lindylou]

If you are living with someone as common law you both have to file your taxes. If you don’t, they will with hold the Child Tax Benefit. It happened to my sister. They did eventually pay what was owed after her ex filed.