CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[Sarahlou]

Rsbm

Honestly out of all the logical possibilities, snatched by a pedophile allows a small glimmer of hope they'd still be alive and in the event they weren't, at least they hadn't been betrayed by someone/s that they loved and trusted which is what I believe happened.

Moo

Being taken by a paedophile is never the better option - due the reasons a paedophile would take them. They're not going to leave them alive either. JMO.

 

[iamafiusny]

Being taken by a paedophile is never the better option - due the reasons a paedophile would take them. They're not going to leave them alive either. JMO.

Almost never, but it has happened occasionally. Elizabeth Smart and Shawn Hornbeck are two examples.

Eta: I imagine their loved ones are grateful they're alive even though they suffered unimaginably. Elizabeth Smart in particular has done an amazing job dealing with the trauma.

Moo

 

[Dreamcherry]

Re: the May 1 sighting, am I misremembering that the information about them being in New Glasgow came from DM? IIRC, the police just said "public sighting with family members" and DM filled in the blanks (who and where.) Could be unimportant, but it would mean there's no actual confirmation that's where they were.

 

[iamafiusny]

Re: the May 1 sighting, am I misremembering that the information about them being in New Glasgow came from DM? IIRC, the police just said "public sighting with family members" and DM filled in the blanks (who and where.) Could be unimportant, but it would mean there's no actual confirmation that's where they were.

You are correct.

LE said in public with family members and gave no details.

DM took it upon himself to share the people in the video, but said he couldn't give the location because it might be important to the investigation.

Moo

 

[DMB]

You are correct.

LE said in public with family members and gave no details.

DM took it upon himself to share the people in the video, but said he couldn't give the location because it might be important to the investigation.

Moo

Actually RCMP confirmed there was also video confirmation

 

[iveyguy]

I believe on the first day it was reported they searched the trailer and property twice. I would imagine they've gone over it more carefully since then whenever they got a warrant for cellphones etc.

Moo

I don't believe that there's been "a warrant" for anything in this case - this has not been reported publicly (please correct me if wrong). DM says he "willingly handed his phone over to police." The trailer, RV, and property have not been subject to a search warrant - if they had, it would be public knowledge... it would have been a massive LE operation.

In Canada, a search warrant requires "reasonable grounds to believe that a crime has been committed". We don't appear to be there yet...

 

[tlcya]

So are there any updates today on what, if any, searching will take place? Any updates on if the search of the area of interest (pipeline trail) has been completed or is still ongoing?

 

[Sillybilly]

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[su5ie]

I don't believe that there's been "a warrant" for anything in this case - this has not been reported publicly (please correct me if wrong). DM says he "willingly handed his phone over to police." The trailer, RV, and property have not been subject to a search warrant - if they had, it would be public knowledge... it would have been a massive LE operation.

In Canada, a search warrant requires "reasonable grounds to believe that a crime has been committed". We don't appear to be there yet...

If it turns out the kids are on the property, I for one will be so disappointed that a forensic team didn't search here first . If its the case the property hasn't been subject to a throughout search it is a massive oversight regardless of whether reasonable grounds of crime are present or not . We know what LE are ruling out but what are they ruling in other than wandering off

 

[Dreamcherry]

Actually RCMP confirmed there was also video confirmation

Oh yes, that they did! What I meant was that they didn't confirm that it was the mom/step-dad in the video and that the video was taken in New Glasgow, I think.

 

[MistyWaters]

Oh yes, that they did! What I meant was that they didn't confirm that it was the mom/step-dad in the video and that the video was taken in New Glasgow, I think.

Likely the primary purpose was to simply confirm a last seen date rather than who the children were last seen with. Prior to that the last known ‘seen date’ was the Tuesday and getting bussed home from school. I recall LE being criticized for not specifying a last seen date which is typical in other missing persons cases.
JMO

 

[BCSleuth]

My personal opinion is the RCMP has stated several times there is no evidence of abduction, so you can believe them.

[snip]

Saying they have no evidence of abduction is not the same as saying it was not abduction. It could be abduction, they just have no evidence pointing that way.

As far as we know they have no evidence pointing toward anything. Yet we know something happened.

 

[shetalksinstereo]

Almost never, but it has happened occasionally. Elizabeth Smart and Shawn Hornbeck are two examples.

Eta: I imagine their loved ones are grateful they're alive even though they suffered unimaginably. Elizabeth Smart in particular has done an amazing job dealing with the trauma.

Moo

It happened with Charlotte Sena as well, although she was only "missing" for 2 days or something.

 

[borndem]

I specified on or near- like stuck in crawl space or appliance in the yard.

But over 160 trained searches were in the area on several different days. Certainly they would have noticed smell, flies, scavengers, something. Literally zero evidence of kids found.

Moo

BBM
Good point. If they were taken and then killed and hidden elsewhere, this sad situation may not ever be resolved. We've seen this type situation before. : - (

 

[AddyFinch]

Might not be related, but could be of interest Child Luring Nova Scotia June 2025
and another Child approached March 2025
and another Attempted abduction December 2024
and another Attempted 2022
and another Attempted 2021
Please someone reassure me there isn't a predator out there?
I couldn't find anything further about each one, but if these are all true (reported by LE), then it surely might lead to a working child trafficking or pedophile ring.
Add Dylan Ehers to mix and the three boys from last week, and J&L, and there could be a pattern here
Hope RCMP are looking into Lilly & Jack a little closer to the abduction theory, and staying quiet because they are hot on a trail.

 

[su5ie]

Just thinking back to Daniels interview. When he stated the cps won't let him see his child .

OK I can understand mom not allowing if she was angry at him and was blaming him even if logically he had no control if both were in bed / bedroom

So if its cps , why would they not allow Daniel see his child unless they suspect he harmed lilly and jack .

Social Services can't just decide a person can't see their child without having valid reasons . Even if the other parent is throwing accusations towards them . Does it not have to be proven that the accusations are true

In highly emotional circumstances like these I'm sure parents blame each other all the time as a way of venting anger , frustration or pain I have never seen social services stop access to the other kids if a siblings goes missing.

I'm not from Canada, so if anyone can post reasons why cps would stop a father seeing his child

 

[Knitty]

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