CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

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Here we are day 16. I can’t even begin to imagine what everyone is going through. But today I want to give a shout out to SAR, le and all of the other departments trying desperately to find these two little ones. I praise, respect and am so grateful to each and every one of you trying to find these two. Everyone must be exhausted and feel so frustrated. The urge to carry on knowing they’re looking for deceased children and not live ones. To feel defeated has to be depressing imo. So today I send out hope and prayers to all the people involved in finding these two. Good luck. Bring the kids home. The world is watching and praying. Go get um 🙏 Stay safe #️⃣ Bring um home
 
Providing they werent called in sick, It was school time, they should have been getting ready, dressed, eating breakfast, packing lunches, It's a busy time not quiet time in the morning,
It doesnt take 2 people to feed a baby or make sure she sleeps when you have 2 other kids running around who are supposed to be getting ready for school and then walked to the HWY for their bus.
By all accounts, the mother and stepfather were not sending them to school that day, whether m and sf had contacted the school officially idk, but it wasn't school time for L and J that day.
 
With that being said, as vocal as Lilly sounds in videos etc, wouldn’t she be screaming for help the whole time? I would think she would imo
Granted we only have 1 video and a bus drivers description, but what I saw seemed like it might be impulsive screaming. It's possible it would have gotten worse in stressful situations.

Moo
Providing they werent called in sick, It was school time, they should have been getting ready, dressed, eating breakfast, packing lunches, It's a busy time not quiet time in the morning, and frankly it doesnt take 2 people to feed a baby or make sure she sleeps when you have 2 other kids running around who are supposed to be getting ready for school and then walked to the HWY for their bus.
There are zero excuses for any of it.

2 able bodied adults did not need to be in bed with the baby.

Babies that age are typically down to 1 nap, maybe 2. Unless up all night for some reason, she wouldn't have been in bed either.

Jack didn't have a cough and could have gone to school.

An adult should have been up checking pull-ups, checking on coughs, providing meals.

To have not even seen Jack at all is truly unbelievable.

Moo
 
Providing they werent called in sick, It was school time, they should have been getting ready, dressed, eating breakfast, packing lunches, It's a busy time not quiet time in the morning, and frankly it doesnt take 2 people to feed a baby or make sure she sleeps when you have 2 other kids running around.

IMO I don’t believe the kids are in the woods nor have they ever been BUT the only scenario I could see children going out in those type of woods in those weather conditions would be running away terrified
Yes, yes, yes! My thoughts exactly.
 
With that being said, as vocal as Lilly sounds in videos etc, wouldn’t she be screaming for help the whole time? I would think she would imo
I agree with those who say it's impossible to say without knowing the child.

Possibly she wouldn't scream at all when there are no adults around? Possibly her screaming is an attention-getter rather than her genuinely needing help. If J and L did wander off into the nearby trees and then further and further and there were as we'd expect no adults around, she might not have screamed at all, because there would have been no one to hear her, no one to pay attention. MOO
 
Culture change needed in our policing. It’s about transparency and building trust. I like the more typical American way of holding a press conference - LE sharing - this is what we know and this is how you can help.
‘Just mind your own business and let the adults handle it, doesn’t build trust with the community.’ I remember being impressed with how LE conducted press conferences in both the Mollie Tibbetts and Jayme Closs missing person investigations.
 

Timeline including today:

Around 115 people participated in Sunday's search, which was expected to wrap up around 8 p.m.

Amy Hansen, one of the search managers, did not expect the ground search to continue Monday.

"We're not anticipating continuing tomorrow, but that's a conversation that has to happen with the RCMP incident commander later on in the day," she said.
 
Question for those familiar with recovery operations — How long is standard to search an area for a missing child, in a known area, who is believed to have succumbed to the elements? I know there are finite resources, but MOO saying they scaled back the search when they did suggests to me they have reason to believe the children didn’t wander off, not simply that they believe the children could not still be alive. My thinking —

1) From the sounds of it, this is still an active investigation, so resources are still being put into finding these children, it’s not like they’ve decided no further resources are justified. This means they’re putting their resources into what they think is a more likely way to close this case. The only way to close this case if they wandered off would be to locate their bodies. So if they’ve turned their attention to anything other than searching, they have a reason.

2) Would they give up searching after 10 days for 2 children, where there is a finite area they could have wandered off to? This is the question I don’t know the answer to. It’s a resources question, and a question of safety for the searchers. My assumption would be that public policy would favor both finding their bodies so the parents can properly bury them, and finding their bodies so innocent people aren’t traumatized when they inevitably find them. If they are known to be out there in the radius that a 4 year old could walk to. Is 10 days a normal time to cut off recovery efforts? If it’s not, then that would be further support that they don’t believe the children succumbed to the elements.

I generally don’t read much into the statements or actions of grieving family members. I don’t even read into small inconsistencies, I find small inconsistencies are usually the result of oversimplification, rather than a changing story. I find people view these cases too often through a lens of how they personally would handle the situation. For example, before this happened, I remember reading a parenting tip on Instagram from someone who said that if you can’t find your child, first search the most dangerous places they can be, rather than starting with the most likely places they could be. That way, while it will take you longer to find them, you increase the chances of them being alive when you do, which is ultimately what matters. Then I see many people here finding it suspicious that the stepfather said he searched the dangerous places first.

All that said, the one thing for me that in MOO can be read into is the mother blocking the stepfather. Cutting off communication with the person who is where your children went missing from is significant. Cutting off communication with anyone when you’re waiting for answers is pretty extreme. So that suggests to me she has some answers already. Keeping in mind you don’t have to block someone to not speak to them. I don’t think law enforcement would interfere in a relationship to that extent (outside perhaps the context of an existing restraining order, which does not appear to be the case here). A lawyer could give that advice, though.
 
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Timeline including today:

Around 115 people participated in Sunday's search, which was expected to wrap up around 8 p.m.

Amy Hansen, one of the search managers, did not expect the ground search to continue Monday.

"We're not anticipating continuing tomorrow, but that's a conversation that has to happen with the RCMP incident commander later on in the day," she said.
I have a feeling that this will end up like Summer Wells .
 
MOO regarding the use of past tense — I think people read too much into that. If you’re recounting a memory that happened in the past, isn’t it grammatically correct to use past tense? And even when describing character traits, if you know that whatever has happened to your children, it is something bad (whether it is abduction, freezing in the elements, etc.), how could you use present tense to describe something positive? You can’t say they are always happy or so smiley, when you know they’re presently suffering under whatever circumstances they’re in, if they’re even alive. Likely experiencing life changing trauma. This is one opinion where I’ll add the caveat that I’m not a parent, but it’s where my mind goes whenever I hear this brought up.
 
MOO regarding the use of past tense — I think people read too much into that. If you’re recounting a memory that happened in the past, isn’t it grammatically correct to use past tense? And even when describing character traits, if you know that whatever has happened to your children, it is something bad (whether it is abduction, freezing in the elements, etc.), how could you use present tense to describe something positive? You can’t say they are always happy or so smiley, when you know they’re presently suffering under whatever circumstances they’re in, if they’re even alive. Likely experiencing life changing trauma. This is one opinion where I’ll add the caveat that I’m not a parent, but it’s where my mind goes whenever I hear this brought up.
Well, these are things profilers will look for.

But, it's also just a part of the picture. If the parents used some past tense and said a few odd phrases, but a neighbor saw the children walking down the street and they found ctv footage of them in a blue car at the local gas station, the parents language becomes less important.

It's when you paint the full picture of no school for several days, no one saw Jack at all, unusual statements, mom goes missing, no scent or evidence of kids, and more, that things look grim.

Jmo
 
Question for those familiar with recovery operations — How long is standard to search an area for a missing child, in a known area, who is believed to have succumbed to the elements? I know there are finite resources, but MOO saying they scaled back the search when they did suggests to me they have reason to believe the children didn’t wander off, not simply that they believe the children could not still be alive. My thinking —

1) From the sounds of it, this is still an active investigation, so resources are still being put into finding these children, it’s not like they’ve decided no further resources are justified. This means they’re putting their resources into what they think is a more likely way to close this case. The only way to close this case if they wandered off would be to locate their bodies. So if they’ve turned their attention to anything other than searching, they have a reason.

2) Would they give up searching after 10 days for 2 children, where there is a finite area they could have wandered off to? This is the question I don’t know the answer to. It’s a resources question, and a question of safety for the searchers. My assumption would be that public policy would favor both finding their bodies so the parents can properly bury them, and finding their bodies so innocent people aren’t traumatized when they inevitably find them. If they are known to be out there in the radius that a 4 year old could walk to. Is 10 days a normal time to cut off recovery efforts? If it’s not, then that would be further support that they don’t believe the children succumbed to the elements.

I generally don’t read much into the statements or actions of grieving family members. I don’t even read into small inconsistencies, I find small inconsistencies are usually the result of oversimplification, rather than a changing story. I find people view these cases too often through a lens of how they personally would handle the situation. For example, before this happened, I remember reading a parenting tip on Instagram from someone who said that if you can’t find your child, first search the most dangerous places they can be, rather than starting with the most likely places they could be. That way, while it will take you longer to find them, you increase the chances of them being alive when you do, which is ultimately what matters. Then I see many people here finding it suspicious that the stepfather said he searched the dangerous places first.

All that said, the one thing for me that in MOO can be read into is the mother blocking the stepfather. Cutting off communication with the person who is where your children went missing from is significant. Cutting off communication with anyone when you’re waiting for answers is pretty extreme. So that suggests to me she has some answers already. Keeping in mind you don’t have to block someone to not speak to them. I don’t think law enforcement would interfere in a relationship to that extent (outside perhaps the context of an existing restraining order, which does not appear to be the case here). A lawyer could give that advice, though.

The search and rescue teams would continue searching as long as there was a chance that the children were alive. When there was no further chance of finding living children, then the SAR teams' work is done. After that, recovery teams may be sent in. The teams are trained for different work.

When you consider how the SAR teams worked day and night and still covered a relatively small area, it makes you realise how difficult the terrain was. Had they been searching in a thinner forest, or open fields they could have covered a much larger area in the same time. But Hurricane Fiona created havoc in the forest in Pictou County where these kids went missing. The forest is a jumble of uprooted, fallen trees and broken branches. The search conditions were very challenging.

 
That is exactly who this reminds me of, right down to the "parents whose stories are coming off as shady but who don't seem intellectually quick enough to fool LE for this long".
Sometimes street wise and practised in manipulating the truth trumps intellect,when there is a lack of evidence by chance of good fortune.
 
And it would also behoove RCMP to issue a warning than an unknown party might be in the area who kidnapped the children, and that parents should be especially careful. I have not heard such a warning from RCMP.
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Amy Hansen, one of the search managers, said Saturday's search went very well. She said searchers covered 1.5-square kilometres of area they hadn't examined before, as well as "higher probability areas" around waterways.

Hansen said the searchers did not cover as much ground as expected Saturday. She said searchers are being hampered by fallen trees and branches left by post-tropical storm Fiona, which hit Nova Scotia in September 2022.


 
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