CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[Judy Sleuth]

Thank you so much

My pleasure

 

[iamafiusny]

Doesn't mean we shouldn't keep an open mind seen as kids have not been found yet .

My opinion at the moment is nothing is off the table in regards what may have happened to the kids . I vary between thinking they are in the yard stuck after getting into a crawl space but dead to a stranger abduction to a family member harming them or abducting them to them wandering off by themselves and getting lost or a hansel and gretel situation

The only thing I think logically that can be ruled out is an animal dragging off two kids .

My personal opinion is the RCMP has stated several times there is no evidence of abduction, so you can believe them.

We also don't see this being treated as an abduction. I know we don't have much info, but what we do know is that all searches and interviews have been directly related to the property or people that had close contact with the kids.

If the children got lost/trapped on or near the property the smell would have gotten so strong they wouldn't have needed cadaver dogs to find them (sorry, but true).

Unfortunately I think there is only one possible outcome at this point and we just have to wait for LE to dot their i's and cross their t's.

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

Maps don't tend to lie but if you can help verify whether or not this map is an accurate representation or not. I would be very grateful please. Maps are not my forte

The endpoint appears to be Truro, no connection that we know of.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I agree. At 16 months, assuming neurotypical development, a child should be using a sippy cup to drink, holding the cup themselves, and eating solid foods. Why would two parents need to be feeding her, much less in their bedroom opposed to in a high chair or similar set-up?

The baby might of still been breastfeeding even at that age. I've seen them older also and mom with a new baby on the other breast.

 

[musicaljoke]

My personal opinion is the RCMP has stated several times there is no evidence of abduction, so you can believe them.

We also don't see this being treated as an abduction. I know we don't have much info, but what we do know is that all searches and interviews have been directly related to the property or people that had close contact with the kids.

If the children got lost/trapped on or near the property the smell would have gotten so strong they wouldn't have needed cadaver dogs to find them (sorry, but true).

Unfortunately I think there is only one possible outcome at this point and we just have to wait for LE to dot their i's and cross their t's.

Moo

I don't think we can count on the death smell spreading out far in the forest. It's a pretty thick forest with cedars and uprooted trees that would prevent air from circulating. The dense cedar foliage can block wind and create microclimates. Cedars can create stagnant areas in the forest.

 

[MistyWaters]

My personal opinion is the RCMP has stated several times there is no evidence of abduction, so you can believe them.

We also don't see this being treated as an abduction. I know we don't have much info, but what we do know is that all searches and interviews have been directly related to the property or people that had close contact with the kids.

If the children got lost/trapped on or near the property the smell would have gotten so strong they wouldn't have needed cadaver dogs to find them (sorry, but true).

Unfortunately I think there is only one possible outcome at this point and we just have to wait for LE to dot their i's and cross their t's.

Moo

In Canada an abduction is considered to have occurred when a child is taken without the consent of the person who has legal custody. So assuming MBM has sole custody, if she felt she was not up to parenting three children ages 6 and under, at least 2 maybe being autistic and already behind other students in school, it’s possible she had an option to arrange dedicated caregivers of these children who could give them a better life. My best guess, a relative or trusted elder from the First Nations reserve.

With her approval, this doesn’t meet the criteria of an abduction occurring so the recipient of the children has not broken any law. This of course is separate from any illegal repercussions from lying to police and faking the disappearance of the children. It most certainly could be a reason she was apparently advised not to talk to the media. If MBM does have mental health challenges the RCMP/CPS may simply be biding time to determine if the new arrangement is satisfactory.

She wants nothing to do with DM because he knows the truth and would convince her to admit it. Regardless he will never betray her, that gold chain he’s very visibly wearing around his neck in numerous recent photos is the chain that binds the two together, a message to her.

Purely my speculation…. but with a happy ending, wouldn’t it be nice.

 

[iamafiusny]

I don't think we can count on the death smell spreading out far in the forest. It's a pretty thick forest with cedars and uprooted trees that would prevent air from circulating. The dense cedar foliage can block wind and create microclimates. Cedars can create stagnant areas in the forest.

I specified on or near- like stuck in crawl space or appliance in the yard.

But over 160 trained searches were in the area on several different days. Certainly they would have noticed smell, flies, scavengers, something. Literally zero evidence of kids found.

Moo

 

[iamafiusny]

Purely my speculation…. but with a happy ending, wouldn’t it be nice.

RSBM

I wish.

 

[Bigditch]

There has been nothing suggesting this could be the case. Even the mother has not said he was abusive. The kids's photos don't give any such idea either. From what we see of his behaviour, he seems a caring step-father.

Poster meant the bio father. Who knows?

 

[AddyFinch]

Similarities : Male Children involved: Mosher Rd in Admiral Rock is a rural road, with properties widespread (what are kids doing on that road?) Area has a pipeline trail. Tidal bore isn't far from Mosher Rd, very forested, campground in area, a creek, a river and a small lake. Admiral Rock (unknown location of kidnapping) June 3, 2025 afternoon.
Male & Female children involved :1407 Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne is a rural road, properties are very widespread, Area has. pipeline trail, very forested, old campground in area, few small lakes 86 km or 1 hr drive. from Admiral Rock May 2, 2025 morning.

Male child involved :Truro, Approx 41 km or a 30 min drive from Admiral Rock. In a housing area with much empty land. Train tracks May 6, 2020.

If by chance Missing Sullivan children were abducted, abductor would need a vehicle, if connected to Admiral Rock kidnapping who's house did he take the boy into, his or was he a property manager a landscaper, a family member, friend, did he break in? Was he known in other two localities?

 

[RandyMcDonald]

In Canada an abduction is considered to have occurred when a child is taken without the consent of the person who has legal custody. So assuming MBM has sole custody, if she felt she was not up to parenting three children ages 6 and under, at least 2 maybe being autistic and already behind other students in school, it’s possible she had an option to arrange dedicated caregivers of these children who could give them a better life. My best guess, a relative or trusted elder from the First Nations reserve.

With her approval, this doesn’t meet the criteria of an abduction occurring so the recipient of the children has not broken any law. This of course is separate from any illegal repercussions from lying to police and faking the disappearance of the children. It most certainly could be a reason she was apparently advised not to talk to the media. If MBM does have mental health challenges the RCMP/CPS may simply be biding time to determine if the new arrangement is satisfactory.

She wants nothing to do with DM because he knows the truth and would convince her to admit it. Regardless he will never betray her, that gold chain he’s very visibly wearing around his neck in numerous recent photos is the chain that binds the two together, a message to her.

Purely my speculation…. but with a happy ending, wouldn’t it be nice.

There is absolutely no reason why the Sipekne'katik band would keep the children's shift in custody to a third party secret. What interest would the band council, or anyone else in a position of power, have in letting the rest of Canada believe that two vulnerable children were missing when they were in fact perfectly safe? Doing this would create a huge scandal, with band members as much as with others, and for what possible benefit?

 

[MistyWaters]

There is absolutely no reason why the Sipekne'katik band would keep the children's shift in custody to a third party secret. What interest would the band council, or anyone else in a position of power, have in letting the rest of Canada believe that two vulnerable children were missing when they were in fact perfectly safe? Doing this would create a huge scandal, with band members as much as with others, and for what possible benefit?

I hear your point and that was just an idea that was sprung by the FB post by iirc the Chief who mentioned ‘bringing the children home’. If they are alive what used to be their home isn’t their home when MBM left. As the two children are members of the band, with their people could also be considered their ‘home’. The band would be under no obligation to make an announcement, it would seem to me the decision of disclosure would rest on the shoulders of MBM.

I’m not bound to the theory but what the rest of Canada believes isn’t important to anyone compared to the wellbeing of the children IMO, if they’re safe somewhere. I don’t understand how it would create a scandal if MBM arranged something such as this for a good reason. The band has the inherent right of self-government that includes looking out for the welfare of their own people, as it should be. DM seems open to the notion the children are still alive, so I also wonder why that is.
JMO

 

[RandyMcDonald]

I hear your point and that was just an idea that was sprung by the FB post by iirc the Chief who mentioned ‘bringing the children home’. If they are alive what used to be their home isn’t their home when MBM left. As the two children are members of the band, with their people could also be considered their ‘home’. The band would be under no obligation to make an announcement, it would seem to me the decision of disclosure would rest on the shoulders of MBM.

It actually would. Certainly the band members would want to know if the Sullivan children were fine, that they had not been killed or kidnapped or who knows what. The band council choosing to hide this information from everyone, even the band members they are responsible to, would be a shocking dereliction of duty.

I’m not bound to the theory but what the rest of Canada believes isn’t important to anyone compared to the wellbeing of the children IMO, if they’re safe somewhere. I don’t understand how it would create a scandal if MBM arranged something such as this for a good reason. The band has the inherent right of self-government that includes looking out for the welfare of their own people, as it should be. DM seems open to the notion the children are still alive, so I also wonder why that is.

The band in question has over two thousand members.

Sipekne'katik First Nation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The idea that the band government would choose to cover up the fact that the children were fine, hiding them from a community that has been actively involved in the search, is not credible. Why would they keep this secret from a population that is justifiably very concerned and probably not a little afraid for other children? That would be a massive betrayal of trust for no obvious gains.

As for the idea that they are all keeping a secret, two thousand people cannot keep a secret. Eventually, someone will leak the news and things will explode.

 

[MistyWaters]

It actually would. Certainly the band members would want to know if the Sullivan children were fine, that they had not been killed or kidnapped or who knows what. The band council choosing to hide this information from everyone, even the band members they are responsible to, would be a shocking dereliction of duty.



The band in question has over two thousand members.

Sipekne'katik First Nation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The idea that the band government would choose to cover up the fact that the children were fine, hiding them from a community that has been actively involved in the search, is not credible. Why would they keep this secret from a population that is justifiably very concerned and probably not a little afraid for other children? That would be a massive betrayal of trust for no obvious gains.

As for the idea that they are all keeping a secret, two thousand people cannot keep a secret. Eventually, someone will leak the news and things will explode.

I don’t know that numbers are important but if they are 1,436 reside in the community and 1,559:reside outside.

Who We Are Today — Sipekne'katik

www.sipeknekatik.ca

Anyway it’s just a theory that expresses hope, that’s all, it doesn’t have to be true but sometimes things don’t turn out as expected.

I’d be happy to imagine the two children running free in the wind chasing butterflies on the reserve as opposed to having been snatched on the road by a pedophile.

JMO

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Similarities : Male Children involved: Mosher Rd in Admiral Rock is a rural road, with properties widespread (what are kids doing on that road?) Area has a pipeline trail. Tidal bore isn't far from Mosher Rd, very forested, campground in area, a creek, a river and a small lake. Admiral Rock (unknown location of kidnapping) June 3, 2025 afternoon.
Male & Female children involved :1407 Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne is a rural road, properties are very widespread, Area has. pipeline trail, very forested, old campground in area, few small lakes 86 km or 1 hr drive. from Admiral Rock May 2, 2025 morning.

Male child involved :Truro, Approx 41 km or a 30 min drive from Admiral Rock. In a housing area with much empty land. Train tracks May 6, 2020.

If by chance Missing Sullivan children were abducted, abductor would need a vehicle, if connected to Admiral Rock kidnapping who's house did he take the boy into, his or was he a property manager a landscaper, a family member, friend, did he break in? Was he known in other two localities?

I was working on this map before you posted— we had the same idea. There was an attempted abduction in 2020 that may become important at some point, imo:

RCMP investigating possible attempted abduction​

September 11, 2020
Springhill, Nova Scotia
News release
Cumberland County RCMP is looking to identify a person(s) involved in a possible attempted abduction last night on Valley Rd. near Springhill in Cumberland County.

Shortly before 8 p.m., police responded to a complaint that a man had possibly attempted to lure a three-year-old child into his car. The child was playing in the yard with two others when their mother noticed a vehicle pull to the side of the road close to the children. A driver of the vehicle yelled for one of the children to get in the car. The children ran into the house and the vehicle then drove away towards Springhill.

RCMP members made patrols throughout Springhill, however, the suspect or vehicle were not located.

The driver was a man described to be in his 40's with a clean cut appearance and had a raspy voice. There may have been two people in the vehicle. The vehicle is described as a silver or beige Chevrolet Cruze, an older model.

Anyone with information on these incidents is asked to contact Cumberland District RCMP at 902-597-3779. Should you wish to remain anonymous, call Nova Scotia Crime Stoppers toll free at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477), submit a secure web tip at www.crimestoppers.ns.ca, or use the P3 Tips App.

File # 2020-1325432
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Contact information

Cpl. Lisa Croteau
Public Information Officer
Nova Scotia RCMP
Cell : 902-222-0154
Email : [email protected]

RCMP investigating possible attempted abduction | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Google map.

• Truro—May, 2020, Disappearance and presumed drowning of 3 year-old Dylan Ehler.
• Spring Hill—September, 2020, attempted abduction of 3 year-old (see above).
• Pictou, on Gairloch Road—May, 2025, disappearance of Sullivan siblings.
• Admiral Rock, on Mosher Road— June, 2025, abduction of minor. Man arrested and charged with kidnapping and sexual offences.
  

 

[CuriousCricket]

I don’t know that numbers are important but if they are 1,436 reside in the community and 1,559:reside outside.

Who We Are Today — Sipekne'katik

www.sipeknekatik.ca

Anyway it’s just a theory that expresses hope, that’s all, it doesn’t have to be true but sometimes things don’t turn out as expected.

I’d be happy to imagine the two children running free in the wind chasing butterflies on the reserve as opposed to having been snatched on the road by a pedophile.

JMO

It is a theory of hope. I also understand quick mental flashes that are worthy of exploration as possibilities.

Had the search been quietly called off once MBM was back with her people, that would seem a plausible explanation to me. Once she and all her children were in safe locations, she or a family member could have told LE what was going on and that would be it.

However, all this time and all these searches suggest to me that's not what happened.

 

[su5ie]

I specified on or near- like stuck in crawl space or appliance in the yard.

But over 160 trained searches were in the area on several different days. Certainly they would have noticed smell, flies, scavengers, something. Literally zero evidence of kids found.

Moo

One would expect to see scavenger activity and notice bad smells etc you are right but there is numerous cases on WS were one would have expected the same and some with much warmer climates than Pictou. I do suspect you are 100% correct that the children are not in the yard or home

I highly doubt the children are dead on the property but a high percentage of the remains of missing people have been found within the boundaries of previously searched areas

It has been raised by myself and other posters here that we have not seen an msm report of the immediate property being searched . Sometimes people/ searchers forget to look inward when they're so focused on looking outward imo . Look at the Tina satchwell case for an example.

 

[su5ie]

I was working on this map before you posted— we had the same idea. There was an attempted abduction in 2020 that may become important at some point, imo:


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Google map.

• Truro—May, 2020, Disappearance and presumed drowning of 3 year-old Dylan Ehler.
• Spring Hill—September, 2020, attempted abduction of 3 year-old (see above).
• Pictou, on Gairloch Road—May, 2025, disappearance of Sullivan siblings.
• Admiral Rock, on Mosher Road— June, 2025, abduction of minor. Man arrested and charged with kidnapping and sexual offences.

I certainly am impressed with your post ,thank you for taking the time to do this up .

While it may be nothing , it is worth connecting the dots .usually repeat offenders operate in radius and usually within a certain locality and environment that they feel comfortable in .

So far nothing else makes sense imo kids look well looked after and happy in any pictures. Parents don't seem to be outwardly blaming each other . So far it hasn't been reported if social services were previously involved and if lilly and jack regularly missed school . I understand many details are kept back and are only revealed once it goes to court and pictures can tell a thousand lies .

 

[iamafiusny]

One would expect to see scavenger activity and notice bad smells etc you are right but there is numerous cases on WS were one would have expected the same and some with much warmer climates than Pictou. I do suspect you are 100% correct that the children are not in the yard or home

I highly doubt the children are dead on the property but a high percentage of the remains of missing people have been found within the boundaries of previously searched areas

It has been raised by myself and other posters here that we have not seen an msm report of the immediate property being searched . Sometimes people/ searchers forget to look inward when they're so focused on looking outward imo . Look at the Tina satchwell case for an example.

There have been missing people found in previously searched areas, but this is two missing people not found. With no sign of them having been there. No torn clothing, dropped items, disturbed dirt.

I believe on the first day it was reported they searched the trailer and property twice. I would imagine they've gone over it more carefully since then whenever they got a warrant for cellphones etc.

Moo

 

[iamafiusny]

Anyway it’s just a theory that expresses hope, that’s all, it doesn’t have to be true but sometimes things don’t turn out as expected.

I’d be happy to imagine the two children running free in the wind chasing butterflies on the reserve as opposed to having been snatched on the road by a pedophile.

JMJMO

Rsbm

Honestly out of all the logical possibilities, snatched by a pedophile allows a small glimmer of hope they'd still be alive and in the event they weren't, at least they hadn't been betrayed by someone/s that they loved and trusted which is what I believe happened.

Moo