VT VT - Middlebury, 2WhtChildren (9-11/13-15)/1 WhtFem Adult (35-45), off logging Rd, 15 May 1935

[nhmemorymaker]

It already is. A lab has been trying to get enough usable DNA for an SNP profile out of one of the kids for years (I think the one confirmed to be male?), and once/if they do it was going to be sent to Identifinders for the genealogy research.

So i don't have to google it... can you summarize what an SNP profile is?
And do you know the name of the Lab?
I admit much ignorance in this study, even though I want to learn much more....

 

[The4TierBridge]

So i don't have to google it... can you summarize what an SNP profile is?
And do you know the name of the Lab?
I admit much ignorance in this study, even though I want to learn much more....

SNP stands for single-nucleotide polymorphism. It's a kind of genetic difference between people, and when you record lots of them together as a DNA profile it can be used as a unique genetic fingerprint to identify individuals and their genetic traits and predisposed diseases.

They require a lot more genetic material to be analyzed to create them than other standard forensic DNA tests like short-tandem repeats, but can also be generated from smaller and more damaged biological samples, and they're what's needed in order to conduct genetic genealogy by law enforcement and consumer DNA companies.

I think this recent publication by Oxford is a good overview: https://academic.oup.com/fsr/article/10/1/owae013/7625515

I'm not sure what lab Identifinders (which only does the IGG research part) was working with for this case (not that this info couldn't be public elsewhere, I'm just not aware at this time).

 

[nhmemorymaker]

SNP stands for single-nucleotide polymorphism. It's a kind of genetic difference between people, and when you record lots of them together as a DNA profile it can be used as a unique genetic fingerprint to identify individuals and their genetic traits and predisposed diseases.

They require a lot more genetic material to be analyzed to create them than other standard forensic DNA tests like short-tandem repeats, but can also be generated from smaller and more damaged biological samples, and they're what's needed in order to conduct genetic genealogy by law enforcement and consumer DNA companies.

I think this recent publication by Oxford is a good overview: https://academic.oup.com/fsr/article/10/1/owae013/7625515

I'm not sure what lab Identifinders (which only does the IGG research part) was working with for this case (not that this info couldn't be public elsewhere, I'm just not aware at this time).

Thanks for the article. Appreciate it.

 

[strangerthanfiction1200]

I am so glad you all have posted this recently.... bringing this case to the forefront. Again!
@strangerthanfiction1200 Can you provide the article or whatever that you read last month...
Any newer articles are so helpful.
Though it was often suspected they were both males, I don't think that was clarified in previous writings.

Vermont is just so full of interesting mysteries. Given that the state is small and the population is small, these cases stand out in the whole state, and close area (me) .
And Middlebury alone as unique stories!!

If you use google and type in 1935 and unidentified female and two children it has an option for information from the state of Vermont and goes into the detective determination to find out their names. Vermont is also included in the search engine. It also listed possible identities at that time and suspects.

 

[strangerthanfiction1200]

I am so glad you all have posted this recently.... bringing this case to the forefront. Again!
@strangerthanfiction1200 Can you provide the article or whatever that you read last month...
Any newer articles are so helpful.
Though it was often suspected they were both males, I don't think that was clarified in previous writings.

Vermont is just so full of interesting mysteries. Given that the state is small and the population is small, these cases stand out in the whole state, and close area (me) .
And Middlebury alone as unique stories!!

A google search. Unidentified female and two children from 1935 Middlebury. The article goes to the state level and has information about the detective's search for the killer (they name suspects) and possible identities and rule them out. Originally they thought that one of the remains was a female, but found her alive and adopted. She was not related to the third child that was determined to be a male.

 

[strangerthanfiction1200]

Burlington Free Press.

 

[strangerthanfiction1200]

I read the article last month, but it was published in 2016. Sorry.

 

[TBYOOL]

I know there isn’t much conversation here though I am glad to see some, but that article has a couple of statements about which there can reasonably be debate including that the dental work was essentially something most practitioners could undertake. I will attach articles counter to this today (gotta earn a living now), but I attach just for reference a February 1936 FBI circular which includes the orthodontic report as well as clear pictures of the dental work. Some of this language was reported at the time. It grabbed this report here:

https://leb.fbi.gov/file-repository/archives/february-1936.pdf

 

[strangerthanfiction1200]

I know there isn’t much conversation here though I am glad to see some, but that article has a couple of statements about which there can reasonably be debate including that the dental work was essentially something most practitioners could undertake. I will attach articles counter to this today (gotta earn a living now), but I attach just for reference a February 1936 FBI circular which includes the orthodontic report as well as clear pictures of the dental work. Some of this language was reported at the time. It grabbed this report here:

https://leb.fbi.gov/file-repository/archives/february-1936.pdf

Again, thank you for the information. I will have to print the information and read it. It is hard to keep conversation going in old cases like this one. It does raise a question if someone car-jacked (would that be a word in the 1930's) them, killed them and then fled. Any research on this point. I ask about the word, because words we use today, would not be the same back then and there would be no matches. Any missing or stolen vehicles. I agree with some of the points in the article, the answer is deep in the records. Again, to records and the legality of them. I believe someone is searching for them. Another research avenue: rootsweb. I used this when I first started and the New Hampshire case was partially solved this way. Looking for relatives.

 

[TBYOOL]

A google search. Unidentified female and two children from 1935 Middlebury. The article goes to the state level and has information about the detective's search for the killer (they name suspects) and possible identities and rule them out. Originally they thought that one of the remains was a female, but found her alive and adopted. She was not related to the third child that was determined to be a male.

The ease with which people could disappear and assume new identities and reappear is so different from today. I am deep diving into newspapers of the era looking for missing family cases that might align. And the discovery of skeletons was surprisingly rather frequent (relatively speaking). At the same tine an unidentified man with a sliggt build was discovered in Belmont, Massachusetts. This ability was unknown then and even a case that made national news, unless truly sensational like the Lindbergh kidnapping, may have only warranted a squib in a paper halfway across the nation and then disappeared altogether. It is a fascinating one and there is an answer out there, I am convinced.

Again, thank you for the information. I will have to print the information and read it. It is hard to keep conversation going in old cases like this one. It does raise a question if someone car-jacked (would that be a word in the 1930's) them, killed them and then fled. Any research on this point. I ask about the word, because words we use today, would not be the same back then and there would be no matches. Any missing or stolen vehicles. I agree with some of the points in the article, the answer is deep in the records. Again, to records and the legality of them. I believe someone is searching for them. Another research avenue: rootsweb. I used this when I first started and the New Hampshire case was partially solved this way. Looking for relatives.

There was mention at the time about “hijackings” (and I need to pull a source) though the police and newspapers never used the term “carjacking” which didn’t come into use until later. Essentially though, that term was used in the same way as a general term existing before airplanes. I agree records and newspapers have answers or at least can move it forward. I use Ancestry and Family Search and have memberships with all the major sites. I need to write out my thoughts and paste them in here instead of thumb typing! It isn’t that the previous article is bad only that I am unsure about a couple of details and their original source. I like going back as far as I can and retracing to see where supposition becomes “fact” not due to purposeful misdirection but more from the notion of received wisdom. The more eyes the better always!