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Until now, I thought that Giuffre and Andrew met long before she was able to escape Epstein's alleged coercive control. I am surprised that, at the same time that Giuffre claims to be acting without free will, she was recruiting children for Epstein as part of a paid pyramid scheme. Eighteen months later, while on a paid study-vacation in Thailand, she parted ways with Epstein by simply telling him that she was moving on. His only response was to wish her a good life.

For some reason, I thought the events of 18 months occurred over several years - in part because documentation about coercive control and trafficking suggests that leaving those associations is extremely difficult.
It appears to have gone in about two years. She was sixteen? When they first recruited her turning seventeen soon I believe? She departed two years later from the situation when she was 19 in 2002 for sure. I think leaving is actually difficult.
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This entire sordid affair smacks of "Divine Rights of Royalty". And the excesses of royal behavior that has gone on for centuries. Prince Andrew (or do we call him Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew?).

Anyway, that is what has always bothered me about the concept of "royalty". They belive they are born royal, therefore they are better than anyone else. And "above the law", which is what started the "Magna Carta" with King John. Too bad Prince Andrew never read up on royal history.
 
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This entire sordid affair smacks of "Divine Rights of Royalty". And the excesses of royal behavior that has gone on for centuries. Prince Andrew (or do we call him Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew?).

Anyway, that is what has always bothered me about the concept of "royalty". They belive they are born royal, therefore they are better than anyone else. And "above the law", which is what started the "Magna Carta" with King John. Too bad Prince Andrew never read up on royal history.

"Sitting on a high horse"
means
the fall is severe hehehe

Oooops!

JMO ;)
 
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I don’t believe Andrew MW is obliged to respond to anything/anyone in America.

RSBM


An article was published today quoting Andrew Lownie, the royal biographer ....


”Andrew will not respond or testify in front of Congress,”
”He — or his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson — will never travel to the United Sates again. Neither want to be arrested or forced to testify in front of Congress about their friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.”

“Both of them were much friendlier with Epstein than people imagine,” Lownie said, adding more leaks are soon to come out “that their friendship with Epstein began much earlier than previously thought and that it lasted much longer than people say.”

Other allegations coming down the pipeline are that “we’re going to get other names of people who were trafficked to Andrew, particularly girls younger than Virginia. We are also going to get a stronger sense of the sort of monies that were exchanged and paid to Sarah Ferguson.”

 
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"Sarah Ferguson's new children's book
'will be PULPED'
after former Duchess was stripped of her title alongside shamed ex-husband Andrew.


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Publishing sources said
that 10,000 copies of 'Flora and Fern: Kindness Along The Way'
are 'being sent to the recycling centre'."

A shame the books couldn't be donated. Pity for the illustrator too.
 
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Now, that is interesting, could Andrew be forced to come to the United States? Like a subpoena? To testify in Congress? Would he have to come?

I doubt he wants to take one step in the United States...after all, Ghislaine is in prison.
 
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A shame the books couldn't be donated. Pity for the illustrator too.

That would end up being too controversial. The author being friends with a pedophile who continued to be in contact with him isn’t a good representation for children. That is why they are being pulped, otherwise it is endorsing the author who remained friends with a pedophile.
 
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London — Pressure is increasing for the former Prince Andrew to give evidence to a U.S. congressional committee investigating the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein after Britain’s prime minister suggested he should testify.

Keir Starmer declined to comment directly about King Charles III’s disgraced younger brother, but told reporters traveling with him for the Group of 20 summit in Johannesburg that as a “general principle” people should provide evidence to investigators.

“I don’t comment on his particular case,’’ Starmer said...
 
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The story continues...


"Sources have indicated that the ‘practicalities’
of packing up his belongings at ten-bedroom Royal Lodge,
where he has lived on the Windsor Estate for more than 30 years,
and moving to his undisclosed new home were
‘quite a substantial logistical process, if nothing else’.

He also needs to negotiate the ending of his 75-year lease on the property from the Crown Estate early,
which some fear could see him in line to collect compensation given the work he has already carried out on the property."
 
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Another Peppercorn Prince.

Kensington Palace is also full of non paying residents. Mostly relatives.
 
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Another Peppercorn Prince.

Kensington Palace is also full of non paying residents. Mostly relatives.
My opinion.

I think when your Mother is the Queen, you don’t pay for a lot of things.

It’s just a given.

Now that Big Brother is King, these ‘deals’ would still apply if only Andrew had not been hiding a lot of information/was not involved with undesirables.

I hope the media does not try to bring down the Monarchy but they seem to be working on it.

MOO
 
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My opinion.

I think when your Mother is the Queen, you don’t pay for a lot of things.

It’s just a given.

Now that Big Brother is King, these ‘deals’ would still apply if only Andrew had not been hiding a lot of information/was not involved with undesirables.

I hope the media does not try to bring down the Monarchy but they seem to be working on it.

MOO
I don't think the media is trying to bring the monarchy down.

Why do you think consent isn't relevant in cases of alleged rape?

I agree that consent is not relevant in cases of rape.
ETA: my opinion
 
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Andrew is now...gasp...a "Commoner". His brother, King Charles has stripped every single title!
 
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"An Official Inquiry
was today launched into the Royal Family's Crown Estate properties
following the scandal of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and his 'peppercorn' at Royal Lodge.

The Public Accounts Committee (PAC) announced a probe
which will examine the value for money to taxpayers.

MPs on the committee had challenged the Crown Estate
to outline how it was ensuring good value in relation to Royal Lodge.

The disgraced former prince has lived in the grandiose 30-room home set in 98 pristine acres of Windsor Great Park
rent free for two decades."
 
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"Royal Lodge is in such poor condition
that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
could be forced to walk away without a penny,
officials revealed today.

His 'compensation' for quitting the lease early
– worth nearly half a million pounds –
is likely to be completely wiped out by the cost of repairs."

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