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So if AMW gets scratched off the list, everyone moves up a step? So then the children of the late Princess Margaret come into play, right?
 
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I’d like to know what happens to Beatrice and Eugenie if Andrew is removed. Do they go too and their children?
 
  • #264
Does Harry get to stay in succession even though he opted to resign from his duties in the royal family, move away and live in the USA?
Yes he does.

I’d like to know what happens to Beatrice and Eugenie if Andrew is removed. Do they go too and their children.

They'll stay.
Realistically, if George has children then nobody below that stands a chance of becoming King/Queen anyway. Not unless some disaster happens.
 
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Does Harry get to stay in succession even though he opted to resign from his duties in the royal family, move away and live in the USA?

wow.... I was just taken with how much King Charles looks like his father in this picture....

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Does Harry get to stay in succession even though he opted to resign from his duties in the royal family, move away and live in the USA?
Many would rather he didnt but really its irrelevant as barring a tragedy happening it would be William and then all his kids. The crap thing looking at that chart is how low Anne actually is just because shes a female.
 
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How Andrew was "treated like a common criminal"
I love this sentence.
Oh to have been a fly on the wall.
Instead of turning up his nose and scorning the common plebeians, those lowly plebeians controlled this entitled blue blooded aristocrat.
Which explains the look on his face when leaving. Priceless
 
  • #270
Yes, it would have been very interesting to have been a fly on the wall while Andrew was ɓeing questioned. I would love to know how he conducted himself - did he yell, did he bluster, did he say "Don't you know who I am?". Did he act superior? Maintain his dignity? Or did he sob and plead? I would say that afterwards he was not only shocked and traumatised, but completely shattered.
All of the above. Moo
 
  • #271
The Line of Succession to the British Throne, with the first 100 individuals. Interestingly, at place #91 you'll find the husband of another royal mentioned in the Epstein papers.
 
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So if AMW gets scratched off the list, everyone moves up a step? So then the children of the late Princess Margaret come into play, right?
Not really. If Andrew is removed, his children and grandchildren will also be removed by default since the succession goes in the direct line. Edward and Sophie and their children move up the line, followed by Ann and her children.

However, there's also speculation that William will move to remove Harry and his descendants from the line of succession when he succeeds to the crown since there's widespread agreement that he really is not suitable material. That would in turn remove Harry's children as well.

In that case, it would leave Edward and Sophie as the second line family should anything catastrophic happen to William and his three children.
 
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The Line of Succession to the British Throne, with the first 100 individuals. Interestingly, at place #91 you'll find the husband of another royal mentioned in the Epstein papers.
So the royal family of Norway is related to the royals of the UK?
 
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So the royal family of Norway is related to the royals of the UK?
Yes, through a daughter of King Edward VII. The Swedish and the Danish royal families are further down the list, as their connection is through a grand-daughter of Queen Victoria.
 
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Not really. If Andrew is removed, his children and grandchildren will also be removed by default since the succession goes in the direct line. Edward and Sophie and their children move up the line, followed by Ann and her children.

However, there's also speculation that William will move to remove Harry and his descendants from the line of succession when he succeeds to the crown since there's widespread agreement that he really is not suitable material. That would in turn remove Harry's children as well.

In that case, it would leave Edward and Sophie as the second line family should anything catastrophic happen to William and his three children.
I wonder if the removal of AMW from the order of succession would affect his daughters, and their children, or if the removal of AMW would be done in the same manner when a member of the list becomes a Catholic. The person themself is removed, while their descendants move one place up. If the descendants of AMW was to be removed, I think there has to be a new change to the succession law.
(The easiest way to get AMW off the list of succession would be to make him become Catholic, if the Catholic Church would want him.)
 
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I wonder if the removal of AMW from the order of succession would affect his daughters, and their children, or if the removal of AMW would be done in the same manner when a member of the list becomes a Catholic. The person themself is removed, while their descendants move one place up. If the descendants of AMW was to be removed, I think there has to be a new change to the succession law.
I understand that removal of one member from the succession also removes their descendants because the succession goes in a direct line and removing one link severs all of those downstream of it. In Andrew's case, that means Beatrice and Eugenie and all of their children. However, there is scope for a variation of this in the detail of the parliamentary bill that would be required to actually remove Andrew. It could in theory specify that the daughters remain in the line but whether that would be possible or desirable may be questionable if they too are found to be tainted by Epstein in their own right. Their actions once they became adults might have to be looked into. It's known that both Charles and William are generally well-disposed towards Andrew's children so they may be spared any moves to cut them out.

This isn't just a matter for the UK, however, as Charles is head of state for around 15 Commonwealth nations, so they too would all need to agree to and legislate for any change in the succession. This could be discussed and informally agreed initially at one of the regular conferences for Commonwealth states.
(The easiest way to get AMW off the list of succession would be to make him become Catholic, if the Catholic Church would want him.)
Given the degree of corruption and sexual abuse within the Catholic Church, I reckon Andrew would fit right in there.
 
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Remotely. They really don't figure at all.
Yes, they are further down, but as everyone who is a descendant of Electress Sophia of Haniver, and who are not a Catholic, nor born out of wedlock, there are at least 5 700 on that succession list. It's a bit strange that when the UK made chages to the succession list in 2015, that they didn't cut down that list, to the descendants of Queen Victoria, or even better Edward VII, as Victoria had been the last member of the British royal house of Hanover.
 
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I understand that removal of one member from the succession also removes their descendants because the succession goes in a direct line and removing one link severs all of those downstream of it.
If the removal of a person from the British list of succession would also mean that their descendants was to be removed, wouldn't that also mean that the descendants of those who have become Catholic also would have been removed? The non-Catholic Duke of Kent grandchildren are on the list, even when their parents were removed. The qualification to be on that list is the kinship by blood to Electress Sophia of Hanover, and AMW's daughters fulfil that demand, they are not Catholic, and they were born in wedlock.
 
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If the removal of a person from the British list of succession would also mean that their descendants was to be removed, wouldn't that also mean that the descendants of those who have become Catholic also would have been removed? The non-Catholic Duke of Kent grandchildren are on the list, even when their parents were removed. The qualification to be on that list is the kinship by blood to Electress Sophia of Hanover, and AMW's daughters fulfil that demand, they are not Catholic, and they were born in wedlock.
The bar on Catholics was removed at the same time as the rule on male primogeniture in 2013 or 2015, but I don't believe the change was retrospective.
 

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