UK - Huge fire rips through Grenfell Tower, Latimer Road, White City, London, June 2017

[skibaboo]

Yes she has, on the @No10gov account which is the PM's official account.

"PM is deeply saddened by the tragic loss of life at Grenfell Tower. Her thoughts are with all those affected and the emergency services."

Not speaking for greg but I think a personal message would be much more considerate not a robotic tweet from one of her reps. I've seen Jeremy Corbyn speak on TV offering his condolences and his thoughts on the tragedy, not seen anything from TM.

 

[gregjrichards]

Yes she has, on the @No10gov account which is the PM's official account.

"PM is deeply saddened by the tragic loss of life at Grenfell Tower. Her thoughts are with all those affected and the emergency services."

I saw that but she hasn't bothered to comment personally she got an aide to release a statement which is unacceptable given the gravity of the situation. I'm not impressed with her at all.

Concerns about asbestos now

Mary Nightingale‏Verified account @nightingaleitv 2m2 minutes ago
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Ready for @ITVEveningNews from #GrenfellTower . Rumours/reports/fears of asbestos released by the fire concerning to all outside #masks

 

[ScotAng]

The Fire and security Minister Mr Nick Hurd has ordered all tower blocks with similar refurbishments are going to be checked.

Prime Minister Theresa May hasn't even bothered to offer her condolences it is disgraceful https://twitter.com/theresa_may

Corbyn has. She's too busy in meetings DUPing the country. We'll hear once that's a done deal.

She needs to go now.

Yes, yes she does. We'll get our bums smacked o/t.


On a positive note, firefighters were able to rescue 65 from the building. What would we do without these amazing people.

 

[gregjrichards]

Have you seen this letter from the council threatening the owner of the action group blog who raised serious concerns about the fire? Disgusting and disgraceful!

 

[skibaboo]

Corbyn has. She's too busy in meetings DUPing the country. We'll hear once that's a done deal.



Yes, yes she does. We'll get our bums smacked o/t.


On a positive note, firefighters were able to rescue 65 from the building. What would we do without these amazing people.

Haha I Iike what you did there but yes, fair point. Stay O/T and those firefighters...........

[video=twitter;875026143895851008]https://twitter.com/patrolcop/status/875026143895851008[/video]

A picture paints a thousand words

 

[Dionysia]

This is awful.

 

[Jax49]

[h=1]London Fire: Muslims Beginning Ramadan Fast May Have Saved Lives In Grenfell Tower[/h]
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...n-grenfell-tower_uk_59410ad3e4b0d3185486088c?

Muslims who were awake because they were beginning their Ramadan fast “saved people’s lives” when a deadly blaze broke out at a west London tower block, HuffPost UK has been told.

 

[bluesneakers]

[h=1]London Fire: Muslims Beginning Ramadan Fast May Have Saved Lives In Grenfell Tower[/h]
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...n-grenfell-tower_uk_59410ad3e4b0d3185486088c?

I wondered about that. Many of them would have been awake.

Interviews with neighbors make it seem like everyone in the building got along like they were a community.

 

[dyannaON]

Oh I forgot about the fur babies. That is so sad. [emoji80]


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[LietKynes]

What the bl00dy heck was used for siding on the building ??
As if the 'cladding' was solid gasoline or some kind of accelerant !
Those videos were horrific.

I've seen photos of other building fires-- but these pictures look like someone poured gas as it was burning.
Too early to say... but my .02 is that manslaughter charges should be coming !

 

[mrsu]

Just horrifying. So sad.

If 78 are in hospitals and 65 were rescued by firefighters. Even if those numbers are separate that equals 143 people. It was said 400-600 people lived there! I wonder how many were able to escape on their own? I think the death toll will be very high. Just devastating.

 

[Jax49]

'Disaster waiting to happen': fire expert slams UK tower blocks


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...g-to-happen-fire-expert-slams-uk-tower-blocks

“A disaster waiting to happen,” is how the architect and fire expert Sam Webb describes hundreds of tower blocks across the UK, after the fire at Grenfell Tower in Kensington that has left at least six people dead.

“We are still wrapping postwar high-rise buildings in highly flammable materials and leaving them without sprinkler systems installed, then being surprised when they burn down.”

ETA to add:

Arnold Tarling, a chartered surveyor at Hindwoods and a fire safety expert, says the elephant in the room is the flammability of insulation panels that are being used to clad postwar buildings to bring them up to date with today’s thermal standards.

A recent £8.7m refurbishment of Grenfell Tower saw the building clad with “ACM cassette rainscreen” panels, an aluminium composite material covering insulation panels, which could have caused the fire to spread more quickly up the facade of the tower.

bbm

 

[Ellmau]

Horrendous.

I think it is hughly likely that after the investigation there will be prosecutions.

An interesting (disturbing) post from the Grenfell Action Group from 2013 talks about power surges and electrical items bursting into flame, in the early hours - could that problem have arisen again?

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/grenfell-tower-from-bad-to-worse/

 

[MelmothTheLost]

What the bl00dy heck was used for siding on the building ??
As if the 'cladding' was solid gasoline or some kind of accelerant !
Those videos were horrific.

There's quite a long report in the Mail about the relationship between the council who own the tower block and the TMO which is contracted to manage it on the council's behalf. There's also information about the refurbishment and some of the materials used. It seems someone chose to use a flammable cladding material instead of a fire-retardant one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...1MILLION-company-managing-Grenfell-Tower.html

I've seen photos of other building fires-- but these pictures look like someone poured gas as it was burning.
Too early to say... but my .02 is that manslaughter charges should be coming !

Possibly. But that would require an investigation to be able to establish mens rea at a very high level, and that is very difficult in corporate bodies. It may be that this is just one of those situations when a perfect storm of things went wrong and nobody meets the legal requirements for mens rea.

 

[Ellmau]

There are several things the enquiry will need to establish:

What caused the fire in the first place?

Why did it spread so fast?

Were the escape routes/plans faulty?

And who is responsible for each of those things.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

Horrendous.

I think it is hughly likely that after the investigation there will be prosecutions.

An interesting (disturbing) post from the Grenfell Action Group from 2013 talks about power surges and electrical items bursting into flame, in the early hours - could that problem have arisen again?

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/grenfell-tower-from-bad-to-worse/

I wonder if this concern from that article was resolved:

"A single staircase with no natural light is the only emergency exit route from Grenfell Tower. The emergency lighting system in that stairwell should be thoroughly checked to ensure that neither the system itself, nor any of the individual battery packs, has been damaged by the power surges of recent weeks. If there is damage it should be immediately repaired as a matter of urgency."

 

[dyannaON]

Urgh we just moved into a highrise and had a alarm go off and fire trucks are here now. I literally froze thinking about how I alone while my partner is at work would take all our pets out. And at what point do you know you need to evacuate? Because no one did in my condo just now. Scary.


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[LietKynes]

The DM article's first reports said someone in the building had a faulty refrigerator.
Somehow I doubt that. Fridges are built with coolant.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The DM article's first reports said someone in the building had a faulty refrigerator.
Somehow I doubt that. Fridges are built with coolant.

Nope. There have been problems for years with various domestic appliances catching fire, at least here in the UK.

The cheap Turkish brand Beko is particularly known for fridge fires, while Hotpoint and Hoover are better known for fires resulting from washing machines, tumble driers and dishwashers.

http://www.which.co.uk/news/2015/06/which-reveals-the-home-appliances-most-likely-to-catch-fire-406053/

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4446798/Faulty-Beko-fridge-freezer-sparked-fire-killed-man.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14082886
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[Elainera]

Urgh we just moved into a highrise and had a alarm go off and fire trucks are here now. I literally froze thinking about how I alone while my partner is at work would take all our pets out. And at what point do you know you need to evacuate? Because no one did in my condo just now. Scary.


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Oh God I would be scared and worried too! I hope you and your pets are safe and the alarm was a false one.