UK - Julia James, 53, murdered, Snowdown, Kent, 27 April 2021 *ARREST*

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SocksKitty said:
I am thinking more along the lines that the photo person who police wanted to talk with may have been living at the house either legally or illegally but may not be the suspect.
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Yes, this is something I can't get my head around, if photo man is connected to that house, he almost certainly isn't the only occupant, it looks 3 bedroom sized so what has happened to all the other people that live at that address in the meantime - is one of them the arrested person? What (if any) is his connection with that address? Why if he was involved in the murder is he walking near the crime scene on the next day?

I keep questioning whether photo man was the man arrested - seems such a coincidence that they announced they had identified him within the hour that the arrest was made so I'm 80% it is him but still some doubt in my mind. Maybe he gave some compelling witness statement to implicate somebody else?

Then the near 3 days since the arrest of whoever was arrested without charge / release being announced - the arrested individual clearly hasn't been able to account for themselves to prove they are not connected - that should be relatively easy to do if they are indeed innocent and get themselves released unless it is proving difficult to verify such a statement of there whereabouts.

So the police are sat somewhere between having strong enough evidence to justify the continued detention of this person but not enough for the CPS to approve charges.

And the relentless searches continuing suggest they are looking for that piece of evidence that clinches it and enables them to present something more compelling in the interviews to make them confess / change their story. Bear in mind interviews stop once charges have been made so they need to balance that off and not charge before they have chance to present any significant evidence.

Not long now though, last 24 hours from 9:30 tonight to charge or release by the same time tomorrow.
 
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tallmansix said:
Yes, this is something I can't get my head around, if photo man is connected to that house, he almost certainly isn't the only occupant, it looks 3 bedroom sized so what has happened to all the other people that live at that address in the meantime - is one of them the arrested person? What (if any) is his connection with that address? Why if he was involved in the murder is he walking near the crime scene on the next day?

I keep questioning whether photo man was the man arrested - seems such a coincidence that they announced they had identified him within the hour that the arrest was made so I'm 80% it is him but still some doubt in my mind. Maybe he gave some compelling witness statement to implicate somebody else?

Then the near 3 days since the arrest of whoever was arrested without charge / release being announced - the arrested individual clearly hasn't been able to account for themselves to prove they are not connected - that should be relatively easy to do if they are indeed innocent and get themselves released unless it is proving difficult to verify such a statement of there whereabouts.

So the police are sat somewhere between having strong enough evidence to justify the continued detention of this person but not enough for the CPS to approve charges.

And the relentless searches continuing suggest they are looking for that piece of evidence that clinches it and enables them to present something more compelling in the interviews to make them confess / change their story. Bear in mind interviews stop once charge have been made so they need to balance that off and not charge before they have chance to present any significant evidence.

Not long now though, last 24 hours from 9:30 tonight to charge or release by thr same time tomorrow.
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From indirect experience I can tell you, getting a 36-hour extension from a judge on police detention isn't straight forward. Police would have had to have shown the judge that there was a likelihood that continued questioning would have led to a charge. It isn't a discretionary power for the judge; they have to be convinced that the extension (and 36 hours is a long one) is worth severely curtailing someone's fundamental rights.
 
ApparentlyInDenial said:
From indirect experience I can tell you, getting a 36-hour extension from a judge on police detention isn't straight forward. Police would have had to have shown the judge that there was a likelihood that continued questioning would have led to a charge. It isn't a discretionary power for the judge; they have to be convinced that the extension (and 36 hours is a long one) is worth severely curtailing someone's fundamental rights.
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If it's a serious charge
How long you can be held in custody
The police can hold you for up to 24 hours before they have to charge you with a crime or release you.

They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 hours if you’re suspected of a serious crime, eg murder.
Being arrested: your rights.
 
proclee said:
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I hope that link works I couldn’t find any other way to link it.. it’s from Kent 999s page if it doesn’t work. There’s A LOT of officers, I don’t believe they’re getting the answers they need from the suspect in custody and they’ll be well aware time is running out
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Yes, recent Twitter posts, including videos, also suggest hundreds of officers present today, as well as forces being brought in from Cumbria and Lincolnshire. Massive upscale of the search today, it seems.
 
It still seems odd there's not been a hint of a name or identity relating to photoman and/or killer on SM. If photoman was easily identifiable as a local would the nationwide release of the photo been necessary? And I'm not for one second suggesting this would be an acceptable thing to do, but we know what SM is often like in these scenarios.

I'm basing this entirely off of what appears to be a close knit community, but I guess if a situation like this doesn't bring people together than nothing will.
Just my speculative waffle.
 
kittythehare said:
If it's a serious charge
How long you can be held in custody
The police can hold you for up to 24 hours before they have to charge you with a crime or release you.

They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 hours if you’re suspected of a serious crime, eg murder.
Being arrested: your rights.
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They still need a judge's permission. They're "allowed to apply" if it's a serious crime, that's all.
 
DC50 said:
It still seems odd there's not been a hint of a name or identity relating to photoman and/or killer on SM. If photoman was easily identifiable as a local would the nationwide release of the photo been necessary? And I'm not for one second suggesting this would be an acceptable thing to do, but we know what SM is often like in these scenarios.

I'm basing this entirely off of what appears to be a close knit community, but I guess if a situation like this doesn't bring people together than nothing will.
Just my speculative waffle.
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I am sure I read that the arrested is a British National. The photo man may or may not be the man arrested. Was his image to track him down posted mainly in the UK or Internationally.
 
DC50 said:
It still seems odd there's not been a hint of a name or identity relating to photoman and/or killer on SM. If photoman was easily identifiable as a local would the nationwide release of the photo been necessary? And I'm not for one second suggesting this would be an acceptable thing to do, but we know what SM is often like in these scenarios.

I'm basing this entirely off of what appears to be a close knit community, but I guess if a situation like this doesn't bring people together than nothing will.
Just my speculative waffle.
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I guess he moved to the area a short while ago - noone knows his name
 
SocksKitty said:
I am sure I read that the arrested is a British National. The photo man may or may not be the man arrested. Was his image to track him down posted mainly in the UK or Internationally.
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I'm not sure if there was international coverage of photoman but this was a bit odd for the police to say the arrested person was a British National, I've searched news reports about for the phrase and it only usually seems to be used when somebody is arrested for an international crime and therefore it is relevant. Normal reporting of an arrest tends to just give male/female / approx age / approx location / grounds for arrest. I can cite some local murder cases where nationality was non-British but not revealed until the court case.

Unfortunately this has confused the social media masses who don't know the difference between nationality, race and ethnicity. Many have jumped to conclusions based on the photoman being non-white and got in a total muddle with the meaning of race and nationality.

I can't really see the logic in doing so in this case, we don't know the nationality of photoman so specifying the nationality of the arrested person really doesn't tell us either way whether there is a connection - just causes some people to make assumptions but I do wonder if that was the point, to state a fact that would confuse some people.
 
tallmansix said:
I'm not sure if there was international coverage of photoman but this was a bit odd for the police to say the arrested person was a British National, I've searched news reports about for the phrase and it only usually seems to be used when somebody is arrested for an international crime and therefore it is relevant. Normal reporting of an arrest tends to just give male/female / approx age / approx location / grounds for arrest.

Unfortunately this has confused to social media masses who don't know the difference between nationality, race and ethnicity. Many have jumped to conclusions based on the photoman being non-white and got in a total muddle with the meaning of race and nationality.

I can't really see the logic in doing so in this case, we don't know the nationality of photoman so specifying the nationality of the arrested person really doesn't tell us either way whether there is a connection - just causes some people to make assumptions but I do wonder if that was the point, to state a fact that would confuse some people.
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BBM

I think it was intended to stem the tide of racist and xenophobic comments on social media immediately after his arrest. In vain, I suspect.
 
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