GUILTY UK - Laurent Bonomo & Gabriel Ferez, both 23, murdered, Lewisham, 29 June 2008

[Tony Bennett]

As was fairly obvious once details began to emerge about this case, there appear to have been at least two men involved:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7492690.stm

I find the fact that a 33-year-old man 'gave himself in' to be very unusual.

That does not strike me as something that a drug dealer would do.

Nor does it seeem likely that two men conspired to burgle the house and then stabbed both students to death in a frenzied attack.

Nor would someone involved in a plot to kill those engaged in biochemical research (one of the wilder theories circulating about this double murder) be likely to hand himself in.

It is still pointing, to my mind, in the direction of a jealous/rage/revenge attack of some kind, with perhaps some intensely personal element to it.

Maybe the pair of attackers took crack cocaine or some other drug to get the courage to carry out this savage attack - it is known that some crack-users take cocaine for this specific purpose

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[porkchop]

Maybee these two students were making some type of drug like exctasy, meth or a nother designer drug. Maybee they got into trouble with the person they were making for and were killed. Or whover killed them knew they were making drugs and decided to rob them.

 

[Meyahna]

I don't think. They looked like geek, very serious young men. I tend to think that was a crazy burglar. Beside drugs are not so common in France as they are in US, it's usually either people from low economic background or very rich people who take drugs here. I've never met a single drug addict in my life. Extasy is common though but I don't think they were in that, they were doing very serious studies they wouldn't have been able to continue if they were into drugs.

 

[Rudolf]

I just can't see a strong drug motive in connection with the suspects,either. What bothers me is that the flat was burgled the week before, with the thieves taking *only* a laptop and keys. Why not take everything else,too. Why risk coming back? Were the PINs the real objective? It looks likely. But why not just give the burgler the numbers and the rest of the valuables? Maybe it was a robbery that got out of hand.
Still it seems so....personal and vendetta-like. I still am thinking professional rivalry, and I don't know why.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It just reiterates what I saw a seasoned detective say on a show one day.

No longer can we believe that if the murder is an overkill that it is personal. More and more stranger perpetrators are committing heinous overkills without any attachment or link whatsoever to their victim(s). (paraphrasing)

imoo

 

[Rudolf]

It just reiterates what I saw a seasoned detective say on a show one day.

No longer can we believe that if the murder is an overkill that it is personal. More and more stranger perpetrators are committing heinous overkills without any attachment or link whatsoever to their victim(s). (paraphrasing)

imoo

Well, THAT gives me the chills. So, maybe it is *just* a robbery gone really, really bad.

 

[Rudolf]

It just reiterates what I saw a seasoned detective say on a show one day.

No longer can we believe that if the murder is an overkill that it is personal. More and more stranger perpetrators are committing heinous overkills without any attachment or link whatsoever to their victim(s). (paraphrasing)

imoo

Well, THAT gives me the chills. So, maybe it is *just* a robbery gone really, really bad.

 

[Tony Bennett]

Now we have two more important new facts in this horrific story:

1. The man who turned himself in to police was himself suffering from burns

2. The two men who were killed were tortured before they were killed.

This was no 'burglary'.

The person who suggested these two French students might have been producing a drug might be on the right lines.

Surely this attack was carefully planned?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080707/tuk-murder-suspect-suffering-from-burns-6323e80.html

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[snarkymalarkey]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4289608.ece

"In the first burglary Mr Bonomo’s laptop was stolen. During the second attack two Sony PSP games consoles were taken. Another line of inquiry is the possibility that the pair had been tortured for the PINs of their bankcards."

 

[snarkymalarkey]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pi...o-double-murder/2008/07/06/1215282653602.html

"
THE parents of one of two French students stabbed to death in London appealed yesterday for the killers to hand themselves in to police, who suspect the young men were tortured and killed for two computer games and their bank card PIN numbers.
Laurent Bonomo and Gabriel Ferez, both 23, were tied to chairs, gagged, stabbed and burned. The bodies had 243 stab wounds in total. The strongest line of inquiry was that the students were the victims of a burglary that escalated into "frenzied and brutal" violence..."

 

[Ciara]

The sadists who comitted this crime do not deserve to breathe air.
I think I would lose my mind if my son were to be killed in such a way as these two young men were. Its wayyyyy beyond overkill. I really feel for the parents. Whoever killed them is not going to stroll into a Police Station and hand themselves in though no matter how much pleading, because if they had a soul to begin with, they could never have committed such a brutal crime.
I hope they are caught soon

 

[Tony Bennett]

First person to be arrested in connection with murder of French students released with no further action

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gyhr5yhC6q5-ps6nn894SM6YiYsQ

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[Tony Bennett]

From the 'Times Online' report:

QUOTE

"Six days earlier, Mr Bonomo disturbed an intruder in the flat stealing a laptop computer. Experts have found no evidence of forced entry after the murders, suggesting that keys might also have been stolen during the first break-in".

UNQUOTE

COMMENT: Or that the attacker(s) already knew one or both men

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[Ciara]

Thanks for the updates Tony

 

[Rudolf]

My question is, why break in twice? Not that it implies anything but stupidity, but why not grab all the loot at once and then move on? They must have had something else in mind and I wonder if they wanted to have the two students home so they (the robbers) could get the PINs. They were willing to use any means to do so, perhaps they are sadists as well as robbers.

 

[Ciara]

My question is, why break in twice? Not that it implies anything but stupidity, but why not grab all the loot at once and then move on? They must have had something else in mind and I wonder if they wanted to have the two students home so they (the robbers) could get the PINs. They were willing to use any means to do so, perhaps they are sadists as well as robbers.

When our Crime Prevention Officers came around to visit the neighbours after a series of burglary events here, they told us that you are more likely to be robbed a second time within the first few weeks of the first burglary and by the same people. They come back to get what they couldnt take or carry or whatever the first time.

 

[Rudolf]

When our Crime Prevention Officers came around to visit the neighbours after a series of burglary events here, they told us that you are more likely to be robbed a second time within the first few weeks of the first burglary and by the same people. They come back to get what they couldnt take or carry or whatever the first time.

That's amazing to me! I guess I don't think like a criminal. I'd run away and stay away for fear of getting caught. It would never even cross my mind that you'd be robbed again by the same people.

 

[Ciara]

That's amazing to me! I guess I don't think like a criminal. I'd run away and stay away for fear of getting caught. It would never even cross my mind that you'd be robbed again by the same people.

Thats what I used to think Rudolf, but apparently its quite common. Sometimes they cant get everything they want to steal in one go so they wait for a better opportunity and go back for stuff they have seen the first time. I know several people who have been robbed more than once by the same thieves. Sometimes they will even come back within the first few days of the first burglary as they know that the door or window is only boarded up temporarily while waiting to get them fixed, so access is even easier for them the second time

 

[Tony Bennett]

The police are now questioning the suspect, who was himself burnt:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/jul/08/knifecrime.crime?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

There are 3,202 news articles about this event on www.google.com, a lot by any standard - reflecting world-wide concern over the savageness of these twin murders.

There was a demonstration against the murders in the home town of the students, Clermont Ferrand, yesterday.

Under British law, the suspect must be charged within days, or released without charge.

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P.S. If you decide to visit London for a holiday, get advice on where it's safe to go. It is becoming a violent city in some places

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[Tony Bennett]

So, two more arrested, making three in police custody, and the unemployed man who got burnt, Nigel Farmer, has already been charged with murder.

It must have been three, then, who did this wicked deed.

It's now looking more and more as though drug-dealing and supply is involved somewhere:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/two-arrested-over-murders-of-french-students-863717.html

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