Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #2

[ChinaMK]

I know this was mentioned several pages back (or the previous thread) but I do find the similarities with the disappearances of Leah & Claudia Lawrence startling. From the wording on missing posters, the mobile not being able to be tracked and finally details about their personal lives being released meaning they aren’t always looked on as “favourably” by the public. It’s a real shame as ultimately two young women are missing but the “illicit details” become the focus.

 

[Plod]

I know this was mentioned several pages back (or the previous thread) but I do find the similarities with the disappearances of Leah & Claudia Lawrence startling. From the wording on missing posters, the mobile not being able to be tracked and finally details about their personal lives being released meaning they aren’t always looked on as “favourably” by the public. It’s a real shame as ultimately two young women are missing but the “illicit details” become the focus.

Sorry I disagree - I can’t see anything bad being said about Leah. There is some doubt whether AC was married but there are no other similarities with Claudia. Leah’s friends and family have said how home loving she was, and not all a party girl.

Claudia sounds very different. And if you read her thread, it’s quite clear the police probably know what has happened and can’t do anything. Whereas it’s still all in doubt with Leah.

 

[ChinaMK]

Don’t be sorry for disagreeing, we’re all entitled to our opinions I love to open the discussion up

I’m making judgements on negative things being said from how discussions have changed (from what I’ve heard) and the focus of those conversations have now been regarding this relationship (he is married, this has been confirmed in the news) rather than where she actually is.

All of Claudia’s friends and family also describe her the same way. The negative press started when her relationship choices were released. Prior to that she was described as a young, social woman.

I think the police have exactly the same idea in this case. I think they strongly suspect a certain individual but don’t have the evidence to convict. This is of course just my opinion but I think this based on the differences on reporting/appeals etc when comparing to other cases that have occurred in MK.

 

[Caroclaud]

I agree, and sincerely hope, they have their POI but for some reason they can’t make the connections to lead to anything concrete right now. Which is why there’s no point increasing the reward as they probably don’t think it will increase the number of quality leads. Must be so frustrating for the family.

 

[tresir2012]

I'm not sure it says released from Bedford? It days he was prev from Bedford. As Bedford is less than an hour from MK it would be worrying in terms of a possible link to Leah's disappearance if thats where he came out. There is a Cat B mens prison in Bedford.

The map in the DM had number 1 as Bedford so I took some journalistic licence from that in my paraphrasing interpretation, sorry I shouldn't have said escaped either but "unintentionally released" maybe would have been better. Why would they have him in Bedford as number 1 if he didn't come from that jail? there is also a prison in MK just 2.5 miles from where Leah disappeared. However, it's worrying as he got out on the 15th Feb I understand, coincidentally the same day Leah disappeared.

ETA the offence he was serving time for happened in Cotton End, Beds, so Bedford prison would be likely IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

Ws thread..
UK - Joe McCann, multiple victims kidnapped & assaulted, April / May 2019

Thanks for posting. I've just read the thread. No news of where he was between 15 Feb and 21 Apr when his rampage began.

 

[tresir2012]

I know this was mentioned several pages back (or the previous thread) but I do find the similarities with the disappearances of Leah & Claudia Lawrence startling. From the wording on missing posters, the mobile not being able to be tracked and finally details about their personal lives being released meaning they aren’t always looked on as “favourably” by the public. It’s a real shame as ultimately two young women are missing but the “illicit details” become the focus.

There aren't any illicit details with Leah IMO. She has disappeared on her way to work, while a nutcase is running around the surrounding 5 counties due to an error.

 

[Miss_French]

I know this was mentioned several pages back (or the previous thread) but I do find the similarities with the disappearances of Leah & Claudia Lawrence startling. From the wording on missing posters, the mobile not being able to be tracked and finally details about their personal lives being released meaning they aren’t always looked on as “favourably” by the public. It’s a real shame as ultimately two young women are missing but the “illicit details” become the focus.

What do you mean about the mobile? It's very difficult to pinpoint to where a phone was last used.

 

[Miss_French]

There aren't any illicit details with Leah IMO.

IMO there's going to be a black mark over someone who has a close family member say they had a boyfriend who was married. And ironically, by having his rant at AC, it's HC who has done this damage and not protected his sister as was probably part of his intention!

And, by association, Leah has a brother who resorts to threats of violence.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

IMO Leah is 19 years old and needs to be found. Do we even know if Leah knew AC is married? I think the only person who knew for sure whether or not he was married was AC. Perhaps he was separated?

I don’t think we saw HC’s texts, did we? AC fearing violence is not necessarily the same as HC threatening violence. My impression was HC felt that AC was withholding info re Leah that would help the search, and perhaps wrongly thought the police weren’t listening to that. HC was technically ‘innocent’ after the court case, if I understood correctly, although he did agree to a restraining order.

 

[tresir2012]

IMO there's going to be a black mark over someone who has a close family member say they had a boyfriend who was married. And ironically, by having his rant at AC, it's HC who has done this damage and not protected his sister as was probably part of his intention!

And, by association, Leah has a brother who resorts to threats of violence.

I'm talking about Leah - it's not illegal to go out with a married man or to have an overprotective older brother. To suggest something was "illicit" verges on victim bashing IMO so comments need to bear that in mind, as WS doesn't allow that at all.

 

[tresir2012]

IMO Leah is 19 years old and needs to be found. Do we even know if Leah knew AC is married? I think the only person who knew for sure whether or not he was married was AC. Perhaps he was separated?

I don’t think we saw HC’s texts, did we? AC fearing violence is not necessarily the same as HC threatening violence. My impression was HC felt that AC was withholding info re Leah that would help the search, and perhaps wrongly thought the police weren’t listening to that. HC was technically ‘innocent’ after the court case, if I understood correctly, although he did agree to a restraining order.

Correct, he voluntarily agreed to the RO and was released without charge. Technically innocent, with the RO as a precaution by the court, understandably.
HC is considered a victim in this too, as a relative of Leah.

 

[Loulou7969]

Not sure if anyone has noticed the change of wording on the new posters to say last seen at 8.16 and the phone was last used at 8.34.
Previously it had just been said phone was turned off at 8.30 but the wordings been changed to last used.
Not sure what difference it makes, and I’m sure it will have been thoroughly investigated as to who the last call was to (or from) but may possibly explain the “suddenly turned off comment”.

 

[Oraclle]

I'm talking about Leah - it's not illegal to go out with a married man or to have an overprotective older brother. To suggest something was "illicit" verges on victim bashing IMO so comments need to bear that in mind, as WS doesn't allow that at all.

Aren't you being just a little naive here. Miss French isn't passing judgement on Leah, just commenting that the British public form opinions on motives and actions based on what is reported about the victim.

A homeless person going missing will likely garner less attention than a homeowner, for instance.

In this case, the press reporting an affair with a married man and having a close family member "take the law into his own hands" paint a less sympathetic picture of Leah than was previously the case. I, like you, agree that this *should* have no bearing on whether anyone is going to come forward with information, but I believe that some of the population will now regard this as just deserts.

 

[Miss_French]

IMO Leah is 19 years old and needs to be found. Do we even know if Leah knew AC is married? I think the only person who knew for sure whether or not he was married was AC. Perhaps he was separated?

I don’t think we saw HC’s texts, did we? AC fearing violence is not necessarily the same as HC threatening violence. My impression was HC felt that AC was withholding info re Leah that would help the search, and perhaps wrongly thought the police weren’t listening to that. HC was technically ‘innocent’ after the court case, if I understood correctly, although he did agree to a restraining order.

HC knew AC was married, but LC didn't and HC didn't tell her?

HC was charged with making threats, and sending threatening messages. What would he be threatening that would lead to a court case? Bit more than slander and defamation, you would think.

'The 23-year-old entered the dock facing a charge of causing Adnan Choudhry to fear that violence would be used against him by making threats and sending threatening and abusive messages between February 1 and April 30.'

https://www-mirror-co-uk.cdn.amppro...ws/judge-warns-missing-girls-brother-16229598

 

[BobH]

...but I believe that some of the population will now regard this as just deserts.

Not sure about "just deserts" - that's a little harsh. But I think you're right that people will be less sympathetic, and maybe stop investigating because they believe the likely answer to why they are missing is right there in front of them.

 

[tresir2012]

Not sure if anyone has noticed the change of wording on the new posters to say last seen at 8.16 and the phone was last used at 8.34.
Previously it had just been said phone was turned off at 8.30 but the wordings been changed to last used.
Not sure what difference it makes, and I’m sure it will have been thoroughly investigated as to who the last call was to (or from) but may possibly explain the “suddenly turned off comment”.

Ah good spot. LE must have got the phone info back IMO.

Maybe we'll see some developments now hopefully, fingers crossed.

 

[BobH]

sending threatening and abusive messages between February 1 and April 30.'

The interesting thing in all of this is that HC was threatening Leah's 'boyfriend' for at least two weeks before Leah went missing.

 

[Miss_French]

I'm talking about Leah - it's not illegal to go out with a married man or to have an overprotective older brother. To suggest something was "illicit" verges on victim bashing IMO so comments need to bear that in mind, as WS doesn't allow that at all.

Illicit, of which one of its meanings is 'not in accordance with accepted standards or rules'; I haven't said Leah's action was illicit, but some people do not agree with affairs and judge both parties which is a black mark.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

The interesting thing in all of this is that HC was threatening Leah's 'boyfriend' for at least two weeks before Leah went missing.

It was thought that perhaps LE ‘round up’ dates, which may mean that it wasn’t prior to her disappearance. It would be good if TVP could clarify this as it keeps cropping up.