Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #4

[swedeheart]

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[HongKongPhooey]

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Thanks Swedeheart. It starts around 40 mins. I've only watched some (time for work!) and Gray is taking it right from the top so its quite slow going. Be interesting to see how far he gets, I'm going to watch the rest later.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Start time on the Gray Hughes moved back (approx 2 hours) so it must be a moving target.

He pretty much came to the same theory as a lot of us, that Mr X is involved. One comment he made, that how can they know for sure Mr X had an alibi, when no one knows exactly when Leah went missing?

Thanks again Swedeheart, it was definitely worth a watch.

 

[HollyHunter9]

Start time on the Gray Hughes moved back (approx 2 hours) so it must be a moving target.

He pretty much came to the same theory as a lot of us, that Mr X is involved. One comment he made, that how can they know for sure Mr X had an alibi, when no one knows exactly when Leah went missing?

Thanks again Swedeheart, it was definitely worth a watch.

Yes thanks Swedeheart, was worth a watch and I too thought that was a good point to make about the police saying mr X has an alibi when they have no idea when she actually went missing.

 

[Miss_French]

The police’s media on this has always baffled me.

I do not believe though that the police have ever given up. I do not believe that they ever will give up either. It does feel impossibly slow.

Does TVP have tasers issued as routine? Would it be possible for a police-issued taser to be fired off-duty without it being known? I am wondering if any of X’s associates would have been able to get hold of one around the time of Leah’s disappearance. (This is just me pondering and no actual knowledge. Saw the itv drama, Honour, and was idly wondering about family loyalty vs UK law, but that was a different situation potentially).

In a word, no.

No police force issues tasers 'routinely'; they are issued for specific purposes, to the relatively small number of police officers who are trained to use them, and will returned to secure storage at the end of the shift, with associated paperwork for signing in/out.

 

[Atoz]

Start time on the Gray Hughes moved back (approx 2 hours) so it must be a moving target.

He pretty much came to the same theory as a lot of us, that Mr X is involved. One comment he made, that how can they know for sure Mr X had an alibi, when no one knows exactly when Leah went missing?

Thanks again Swedeheart, it was definitely worth a watch.

If Mr X was at work until 5pm that day, would that not count as an alibi? I suppose she could have been in a hotel waiting for him to finish work, but then wouldn't she have phone in sick or something?

 

[HollyHunter9]

If Mr X was at work until 5pm that day, would that not count as an alibi? I suppose she could have been in a hotel waiting for him to finish work, but then wouldn't she have phone in sick or something?

What if Mr X offered her a lift to work? Did something to her in the car and then went to work as normal leaving her in the boot all day. Would give the impression of an alibi. No one even realised or reported her missing until after 6pm in the evening.

 

[10ofRods]

Older men often find it easy to manipulate teen girls.

They know exactly how to love bomb a young girl, find it titillating and of course, their goal is sex. It can be so intoxicating for the girl. A dear friend of mine had to live through a few years of hell when her 18 year old first met and then married an older man, whose goal included converting her to his religion (which she did). 3 years later, there was a divorce but in the meantime, he wooed her, converted her and isolated her.

 

[Atoz]

What if Mr X offered her a lift to work? Did something to her in the car and then went to work as normal leaving her in the boot all day. Would give the impression of an alibi. No one even realised or reported her missing until after 6pm in the evening.

Yeah I guess that's possible. I think Leah's workplace noticed her missing as she didn't turn up. And I believe Haydon's then girlfriend was working there at the time and raised the alarm.

But as you say, Leah could have been in his boot. I just don't think that's what happened as it would have had to be so quick and most likely in a place with lots of people going to work and school.

I find it more likely that she was picked up and driven elsewhere and met her fate there.

 

[HollyHunter9]

Yeah I guess that's possible. I think Leah's workplace noticed her missing as she didn't turn up. And I believe Haydon's then girlfriend was working there at the time and raised the alarm.

But as you say, Leah could have been in his boot. I just don't think that's what happened as it would have had to be so quick and most likely in a place with lots of people going to work and school.

I find it more likely that she was picked up and driven elsewhere and met her fate there.

I think somewhere along her journey to work she got into a car and likely with someone she knew as if she was forced into a car would've likely screamed or tried to put up a fight, which, with so many people around that time of morning would've been heard or witnessed by somebody. I did look at her usual route via Google maps and part of it involves her going into an underpass, which looked quite secluded. I just think Mr X is the key to all this either directly or indirectly.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I think somewhere along her journey to work she got into a car and likely with someone she knew as if she was forced into a car would've likely screamed or tried to put up a fight, which, with so many people around that time of morning would've been heard or witnessed by somebody. I did look at her usual route via Google maps and part of it involves her going into an underpass, which looked quite secluded. I just think Mr X is the key to all this either directly or indirectly.

The underpasses are actually very busy in MK, especially in those residential estates during school run or rush hour.

There's a couple of secluded parking areas at the lake though. Very possible in my mind that she willingly got into a car, possibly a taxi driven by a relative or Mr X.

JMO

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Thinking of Leah this Halloween. Sometimes the monsters are real...

Make that call to 101 or Crimestoppers, and tell them what you know, suspect, have overheard...

 

[Alyce]

Haydon's inquest

Leah Croucher's brother, 24, killed himself after saying he would hang himself if he could | Daily Mail Online

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Sadness on top of sadness. I wish there had been a local bed available for him.

 

[HollyHunter9]

That is very sad. I feel like that whole family has been let down on so many levels!

 

[bringmeacupoft]

So sad reading the inquest into Haydon. I can’t imagine the mental pain and torture he must have felt

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

If Leah had not gone missing, he may have never escalated to this point. I do think X bears some responsibility for his suicide too, morally at least. I hope it haunts X, but somehow I doubt it will.

 

[Kitkat28]

I thought it was odd that H said he didn’t have any family support. They seemed like a close family so it’s strange that he would feel like that.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I thought it was odd that H said he didn’t have any family support. They seemed like a close family so it’s strange that he would feel like that.

I imagine with him in the grips of mental health issues, and the enormous strain that missing Leah was putting on the whole extended family, it would have been well-nigh impossible for family to meet H’s expectations of what he felt he needed to feel better. He needed ongoing professional help in my opinion, given police involvement in Leah’s disappearance. (Not blaming the police here).

 

[Vera_dci]

So sad that so many opportunities were missed by professionals to help Haydon.
My brother has suffered with mental health problems since he was 17. I know how hopeless it can leave a family watching your loved one suffer.

I cant believe they took Haydon off his medication. This alone can cause a low mood. Why would they do that when he had expressed suicidal thoughts the month earlier and with everything else going on his life.

We as a society need to change the way we treat mental health, the old victorian way of drugging and locking people up does not work, it just causes people more distress. The prison system is full of people who have mental health problems they end up getting stuck in the system. The few services that are avaliable are seriously underfunded and waiting lists are too long.

I hope you are at peace now Haydon