Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #4

[Woodburnbay]

There is a grooming gang from Glasgow currently waiting to go to trial and the accused are all white Scots, which ties in with the Home Office report from 2018 which stated that the majority of sexually abused children are groomed by white people.

I have no idea why grooming gangs are even being mentioned as Mr X has been investigated by the police and found to have an alibi. To assume that because he is Asian he must be part of a grooming gang is quite frankly racist!!

My comparison with Stephen Lawrence was that the offenders were white.
Equally they both had an Alibi and it appears that as long as you have an alibi that is present when evidence is not or weak , then the Alibi protects.

I agree that grooming covers all races and we should not assume he is a groomer because of his race and neither should police tread on eggshells because of fear of the same accusation.

 

[dotr]

15th February 2021 rbbm.
re post.
Police reveal hope that Leah Croucher might still be alive on the second anniversary of her disappearance from Milton Keynes
''The man in charge of the Leah Croucher investigation has spoken for the first time about his personal theory on what has happened to her.''

Officially, he says: "After all of this time with no contact, no positive sightings, no financial transactions, no social media and no phone activity, the potential that Leah is no longer alive has to increase."

''The clothes in this photo are similar to what it is believed Leah was wearing on the day she disappeared.
But when pressed for his personal view, the formal police mask slips slightly.

"My own theory? I think the most likely theory is that Leah has gone of her own accord on her own... I believe it is because of a decision she made herself."

So does this mean he thinks Leah is still alive?

"It could do," he says quietly.''

 

[truthistheresomewher]

A new article in local press from today. Whilst the headline is a bit much, I really really hope this is looked in to again and provides anything in terms of fresh leads

Sighting of mysterious man 'hiding' female in car emerges on the day Leah Croucher disappeared in Milton Keynes
Sighting of mysterious man 'hiding' female in car emerges on the day Leah Croucher disappeared in Milton Keynes
Police have been urged to re-examine details given to them at the time

 

[Skigh]

Another article about the car:


Missing teen could've been abducted after worrying sighting day she vanished

 

[dotr]

Another article about the car:


Missing teen could've been abducted after worrying sighting day she vanished

From link.. rbbm.
''The woman is now urging police to re-examine what she told that at the time on February 15 as it could provide a vital clue in the baffling case.''

"Suddenly a right foot appeared on the dashboard, followed by a left foot," she said. "I guessed they belonged to a female because of the size.''

'''She remembers the time clearly - it was between 8.35am and 8.40am.

Leah's mobile phone left the network inexplicably at 8.34am in the area of Furzton Lake.''

The witness said: "As I watched the car, the driver suddenly let go of the steering wheel with both hands, twisted himself around and pushed whoever the feet belonged to down really forcefully.
"He was using both hands and it seemed a very aggressive thing to do.
"It was like he was trying to hide someone."

''The woman, who was travelling along the H7 (Chaffron Way) towards central Milton Keynes, described the man driving the mystery car as between 30 and 40 with dark brown hair in a "mophead" style.
He was wearing a bottle green jumper and a long tan-coloured jacket.
''She remembers the passenger's shoes having dark soles, possibly boots, and it was pulling out of a junction onto the H7 on the road leading at a right angle directly from the lake.''

 

[Poopsnack]

Is there any response from the police about this new/old sighting?

 

[WiseOwl]

Is there any response from the police about this new/old sighting?

This is their response:

A police spokesman told the Citizen: “Thames Valley Police can confirm that we have spoken to this individual about the reports that she has made to us and proportionate actions and enquiries were taken as a result of the information we received."

Which contradicts what the witness said:

The witness did not hesitate to contact the police. "As soon as I heard about Leah, I called the number police were giving out on their appeal," she said. "Was it Leah I saw that morning? Had someone taken her and was trying to hide her? It seemed such a coincidence that it happened at almost exactly the same time and place."

"I may have been putting two and two together and making five, but I thought it was something police ought to know about. "I rang the number and quoted the reference number. The female who answered sounded quite young and it seemed she was either not very interested or had worked all night and was very tired. Either way she did not appear very bothered about what I was saying. But she said she'd pass the information on."

The witness says she gave her name, address and contact details and waited for a follow up call. "I half expected the police to knock at my door asking to take a statement, which would have been fine. But nothing happened - no call or no visit."

Some weeks later, after reading about a fresh appeal for information and the growing concerns for Leah's welfare, the witness contacted police a second time. This time she used the dedicated online site police had set up for Leah's case, writing down what she had seen that morning.

"Again I heard nothing. It was strange. Later I called again to ask them specifically if they had looked into what I told them. I was told they couldn’t comment."

So when did they speak to her then? And exactly what actions & enquiries did they take?

 

[BrianJohnson]

Not doubting her integrity but if she was focusing so much on this car and talked of getting out to confront the driver why did she not make a note of the registration number or the type of car (Ford, Vauxhall, Mercedes etc)

She got a look at the feet and the drivers hands and hair but it didn’t occur to her to write down the registration number? hmmmm

 

[chimpface]

From link.. rbbm.
''The woman is now urging police to re-examine what she told that at the time on February 15 as it could provide a vital clue in the baffling case.''

"Suddenly a right foot appeared on the dashboard, followed by a left foot," she said. "I guessed they belonged to a female because of the size.''

'''She remembers the time clearly - it was between 8.35am and 8.40am.

Leah's mobile phone left the network inexplicably at 8.34am in the area of Furzton Lake.''

The witness said: "As I watched the car, the driver suddenly let go of the steering wheel with both hands, twisted himself around and pushed whoever the feet belonged to down really forcefully.
"He was using both hands and it seemed a very aggressive thing to do.
"It was like he was trying to hide someone."

''The woman, who was travelling along the H7 (Chaffron Way) towards central Milton Keynes, described the man driving the mystery car as between 30 and 40 with dark brown hair in a "mophead" style.
He was wearing a bottle green jumper and a long tan-coloured jacket.
''She remembers the passenger's shoes having dark soles, possibly boots, and it was pulling out of a junction onto the H7 on the road leading at a right angle directly from the lake.''

No description from witness as to white, black, asian etc it would appear?

 

[Officer Dibble]

A new article in local press from today. Whilst the headline is a bit much, I really really hope this is looked in to again and provides anything in terms of fresh leads

Sighting of mysterious man 'hiding' female in car emerges on the day Leah Croucher disappeared in Milton Keynes
Sighting of mysterious man 'hiding' female in car emerges on the day Leah Croucher disappeared in Milton Keynes
Police have been urged to re-examine details given to them at the time

Questions: Why wasn't this taken seriously and footage from dash cams and road cameras taken at the time? Also, why is the police saying they did speak to the witness when the witness says they didn't? Edited to also ponder on the angle of the feet - I'm wondering if the angle was from someone sitting on a seat or from someone perhaps with hands tied in footwell of car and put their feet up on dashboard in desperate way to try to get attention from others? JMO MOO

 

[Officer Dibble]

Not doubting her integrity but if she was focusing so much on this car and talked of getting out to confront the driver why did she not make a note of the registration number or the type of car (Ford, Vauxhall, Mercedes etc)

She got a look at the feet and the drivers hands and hair but it didn’t occur to her to write down the registration number? hmmmm

She says she couldn't see it from her angle if you read both articles you will read this

 

[WiseOwl]

Not doubting her integrity but if she was focusing so much on this car and talked of getting out to confront the driver why did she not make a note of the registration number or the type of car (Ford, Vauxhall, Mercedes etc)

She got a look at the feet and the drivers hands and hair but it didn’t occur to her to write down the registration number? hmmmm

The witness clearly states why she didn't take note of the number plate:

The witness said: "As I watched the car, the driver suddenly let go of the steering wheel with both hands, twisted himself round and pushed whoever the feet belonged to down really forcefully. He was using both hands and it seemed a very aggressive thing to do.

"It was like he was trying to hide someone... I remember being concerned enough that I tried to get the number plate, but I was at the wrong angle to see it. I hoped the cars in front of me would move forward enough so I could allow the driver to pull out in front of me and I'd get a better view.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Questions: Why wasn't this taken seriously and footage from dash cams and road cameras taken at the time? Also, why is the police saying they did speak to the witness when the witness says they didn't? Edited to also ponder on the angle of the feet - I'm wondering if the angle was from someone sitting on a seat or from someone perhaps with hands tied in footwell of car and put their feet up on dashboard in desperate way to try to get attention from others? JMO MOO

Anyone local know if there are traffic cameras at the intersection? If the police did not take this serious at the time, would video still be available at this time? Maybe they did follow up and it turned out to be nothing but they could state they traced the vehicle and talked to the individual. They do not have to provide details. I feel the police response to this is very dismissive, like they have been inconvenienced this has been brought to the media.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Not doubting her integrity but if she was focusing so much on this car and talked of getting out to confront the driver why did she not make a note of the registration number or the type of car (Ford, Vauxhall, Mercedes etc)

She got a look at the feet and the drivers hands and hair but it didn’t occur to her to write down the registration number? hmmmm

I think she was quite clear about why she didn't get a chance to see the registration plate, and the description of the car was thorough, even though (like many people) she may not know one make from another without sight of the marque.

The comment that did strike me as extremely odd though was this:

"He was wearing a dark, bottle green jumper and a tan-coloured jacket. It was a long jacket, not a short one. It may have been leather."

Even if you were very close, which she can't really have been if someone several cars in front of her let him pull out in front of them, I can't think of any conceivable way you could see that the driver of another car was wearing a 'long jacket, not a short one'.

But for sure, it's an interesting development. It would be good imo if the police would be more specific, e.g. they couldn't trace the car with the information she gave, or they did trace it but the driver was ruled out. And if they couldn't trace it, I would want to know how hard they tried, as afaik they didn't make a public appeal either for the driver to come forward or for anyone else on that road at that time to contact them if they saw it too.

I'm sorry to say I don't think traffic cam footage would be available anymore, unless it was looked at at the time and specifically archived. Could be wrong though.

JMO

 

[BrianJohnson]

A lot of the police inactivity/incompetence in the area stinks of a cover up, makes me wonder if MK’s Finest was a mason and knows a lot of police through freemasonry

It is almost keystone cops level of incompetence and a bit suspicious to me

My neighbour is a freemason and he said it is packed with police officers and they have a code of honour when it comes to other masons

 

[Ruthbullock]

A lot of the police inactivity/incompetence in the area stinks of a cover up, makes me wonder if MK’s Finest was a mason and knows a lot of police through freemasonry

It is almost keystone cops level of incompetence and a bit suspicious to me

My neighbour is a freemason and he said it is packed with police officers and they have a code of honour when it comes to other masons

But they talk to a neighbour about what goes on without an invitation???? Going all Bergerac and cheesy 80s- perhaps an accidental death may involve a cover up (and that’s dubious, but perhaps possible)- but an abduction and murder of a 19 year old- would imagine someone would squeal!
ETA: you should have joined me on the Sarah Everard thread as I think that has been a cover up!

 

[HollyHunter9]

This is a really interesting development in Leah's case. I get the impression that the police probably think Leah is a runaway and so vital evidence in the beginning was missed and now it's too late and without it they have no reason to believe a crime has been committed. But if you look at the facts ~

• She was in secret relationship with a soon to be married man
• She lied to her parents 2 weeks prior about staying in a hotel, no one knows who with
• She also lied the night before about where she went after work and who with
• Phone location turned off near furzton lake the night before on valentine's day (we dont actually know if it was leah herself who turned this off ~ it could have been anyone who had access to her phone)
• She is on cctv on the morning of disappearance walking her usual route to work
• Her phone leaves the network at 8.34am
• Between 8.35am-8.40am a woman witnesses a man in a black car pushing someones feet down and acting suspiciously.
• Her bank account, medical records and social media accounts have been untouched since she went missing
• No sightings of her since day of disappearance

To me it is just glaringly obvious that she has been abducted. I think if it were suicide she would've been found by now and I don't think you could runaway and not touch any money or social media accounts for 2 years during a pandemic. All JMO of course.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I think she was quite clear about why she didn't get a chance to see the registration plate, and the description of the car was thorough, even though (like many people) she may not know one make from another without sight of the marque.

The comment that did strike me as extremely odd though was this:

"He was wearing a dark, bottle green jumper and a tan-coloured jacket. It was a long jacket, not a short one. It may have been leather."

Even if you were very close, which she can't really have been if someone several cars in front of her let him pull out in front of them, I can't think of any conceivable way you could see that the driver of another car was wearing a 'long jacket, not a short one'.

But for sure, it's an interesting development. It would be good imo if the police would be more specific, e.g. they couldn't trace the car with the information she gave, or they did trace it but the driver was ruled out. And if they couldn't trace it, I would want to know how hard they tried, as afaik they didn't make a public appeal either for the driver to come forward or for anyone else on that road at that time to contact them if they saw it too.

I'm sorry to say I don't think traffic cam footage would be available anymore, unless it was looked at at the time and specifically archived. Could be wrong though.

JMO

This is a really interesting development in Leah's case. I get the impression that the police probably think Leah is a runaway and so vital evidence in the beginning was missed and now it's too late and without it they have no reason to believe a crime has been committed. But if you look at the facts ~

• She was in secret relationship with a soon to be married man
• She lied to her parents 2 weeks prior about staying in a hotel, no one knows who with
• She also lied the night before about where she went after work and who with
• Phone location turned off near furzton lake the night before on valentine's day (we dont actually know if it was leah herself who turned this off ~ it could have been anyone who had access to her phone)
• She is on cctv on the morning of disappearance walking her usual route to work
• Her phone leaves the network at 8.34am
• Between 8.35am-8.40am a woman witnesses a man in a black car pushing someones feet down and acting suspiciously.
• Her bank account, medical records and social media accounts have been untouched since she went missing
• No sightings of her since day of disappearance

To me it is just glaringly obvious that she has been abducted. I think if it were suicide she would've been found by now and I don't think you could runaway and not touch any money or social media accounts for 2 years during a pandemic. All JMO of course.

I wondered the same thing about being able to see what the man was wearing but then I read how he took his hands off the wheel and turned to push the person down. Maybe when he did that, he sort of lifted out of the seat?

 

[dotr]

The witness clearly states why she didn't take note of the number plate:

The witness said: "As I watched the car, the driver suddenly let go of the steering wheel with both hands, twisted himself round and pushed whoever the feet belonged to down really forcefully. He was using both hands and it seemed a very aggressive thing to do.

"It was like he was trying to hide someone... I remember being concerned enough that I tried to get the number plate, but I was at the wrong angle to see it. I hoped the cars in front of me would move forward enough so I could allow the driver to pull out in front of me and I'd get a better view.

Bet Leah could get in a good kick or two, we don't seem to hear much about her sport, imo.

'It's time to tell your secret' say parents of missing Milton Keynes woman Leah Croucher

John Croucher with Haydon and Leah
Sighting of mysterious man 'hiding' female in car emerges on the day Leah Croucher disappeared in Milton Keynes

This shows how close the car was to Furzton Lake

 

[Miss_French]

I wondered the same thing about being able to see what the man was wearing but then I read how he took his hands off the wheel and turned to push the person down. Maybe when he did that, he sort of lifted out of the seat?

But if you are abducting someone, why would you have them in the front seat with their feet free and able to move around so much? If it was someone in their late teens in the car willingly, why push their feet down?