Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #5

[JuicyLucy]

Just to hark back a bit, it looks as though TVP did look at the possibility of JMcC's involvement, and presumably ruled it out:

John [Croucher] said: "DCI Howard told us some of the lines of enquiry they have investigated these past 13 months. Ex criminals released from prison, illegal immigrants, paedophiles. Not a nice bunch of people. The kind of people no parent wants their child to ever have to run into."

'We think police got it wrong' say parents of missing Milton Keynes woman Leah Croucher

 

[SaintGertrude]

Just to hark back a bit, it looks as though TVP did look at the possibility of JMcC's involvement, and presumably ruled it out:

John [Croucher] said: "DCI Howard told us some of the lines of enquiry they have investigated these past 13 months. Ex criminals released from prison, illegal immigrants, paedophiles. Not a nice bunch of people. The kind of people no parent wants their child to ever have to run into."

'We think police got it wrong' say parents of missing Milton Keynes woman Leah Croucher

It is a concern that so many sex offenders can just manage to disappear.
Regional breakdown of nearly 500 sex offenders 'missing in Britain'
I think paedos can be ruled out as Leah was 19 years old when she vanished. There are of course gangs who groom young adults and sex traffickers.
Illegal immigrants are no different from the rest of us except that there is no police files on any crimes they may have previously committed. Anyone can slip into the country who has a previous criminal conviction.
MK Herald Column: More illegal Bedford immigrants entering MK through our lakes

 

[JuicyLucy]

It is a concern that so many sex offenders can just manage to disappear.
Regional breakdown of nearly 500 sex offenders 'missing in Britain'
I think paedos can be ruled out as Leah was 19 years old when she vanished. There are of course gangs who groom young adults and sex traffickers.
Illegal immigrants are no different from the rest of us except that there is no police files on any crimes they may have previously committed. Anyone can slip into the country who has a previous criminal conviction.
MK Herald Column: More illegal Bedford immigrants entering MK through our lakes

I was mainly referring to "criminals released from prison", which seems to me to allude specifically to JMcC, whether or not the Crouchers realised it.

JMO

 

[SaintGertrude]

I was mainly referring to "criminals released from prison", which seems to me to allude specifically to JMcC, whether or not the Crouchers realised it.

JMO

I have asked someone to submit a freedom of information request to find out just where JMCC was released from as at the moment it still seems an open book until we can get that information. The date of release, relatives in Aylesbury just 21 miles away from Milton Keynes and what the newspaper article I shared describes as 'accomplices' marks him as a possible suspect. He has also been described as someone who is a master of disguises which makes me wonder about the person in a black car with a mop hair cut which could have been a wig.

 

[Cherwell]

I have asked someone to submit a freedom of information request to find out just where JMCC was released from as at the moment it still seems an open book until we can get that information. The date of release, relatives in Aylesbury just 21 miles away from Milton Keynes and what the newspaper article I shared describes as 'accomplices' marks him as a possible suspect. He has also been described as someone who is a master of disguises which makes me wonder about the person in a black car with a mop hair cut which could have been a wig.

The police will have had all this information and presumably been able to rule him out as a result.

 

[DeadStick]

Great work digging up info Saint Gertrude would be interesting to know whether they release anything.I’ve re read the link you posted with all of the police details re Leah’s case. JMCC being called a master of disguises reminds me so much of Edward Paisnel the Jersey monster. He had all these different costumes and wigs and he would swap them out to disguise his identity before committing rapes mostly on children. The longer jacket and shaggy wig as seen by the feet dash witness sound like a disguise!!!With Leah I worry someone might have been waiting that day to abduct what they thought to be a schoolgirl/teen walking to school. It has happened before in the Cleveland case where the first girl he abducted he had mistaken for a teen. The link you posted to the regional breakdown of untraceable sex offenders is shocking!!!

I have asked someone to submit a freedom of information request to find out just where JMCC was released from as at the moment it still seems an open book until we can get that information. The date of release, relatives in Aylesbury just 21 miles away from Milton Keynes and what the newspaper article I shared describes as 'accomplices' marks him as a possible suspect. He has also been described as someone who is a master of disguises which makes me wonder about the person in a black car with a mop hair cut which could have been a wig.

 

[Atoz]

The police would have needed sufficient evidence and a warrant to search any private homes, cars, phones.
It would normally be standard procedure in a homicide investigation to search a
partner/lovers home and also the parents home if this is where the assumed victim of a homicide has been residing. However this has always been a missing persons case and so far not a homicide investigation. In the eyes of the police no crime has ever been committed.

And this is such a shame in my own personal opinion. Had the police been able to treat it as a crime from the start I feel that we would have found out what happened to Leah.

But if they lacked sufficient evidence to do so, then I can understand.

 

[SaintGertrude]

If Leah was using Snap chat shortly before she vanished then there is always the chance that an internet predator abducted Leah after meeting her on Snapchat.
Tearful mum 'not surviving, just existing' since daughter vanished 3 months ago
Quote: As well the teenager's phone remaining dormant, she hasn't posted her daily Snapchat update.

Snapchat 'Has Become A Haven' For Child Predators, Criminal Justice Scholar Says.
It's extremely interesting that more and more young people are abandoning Facebook and Instagram — which is where their parents and family are — and adopting Snapchat for their main method of social communication."

 

[SaintGertrude]

This is very telling as Snapchat is encrypted so there is no way of tracing conversations.
People can track your location which may be why Leah turned her phone off for a period of time.

Missing Leah Croucher, 20, was having affair with engaged man before disappearance
Claire said: "You'd think there would be evidence on her phone records of a secret relationship, but there is nothing.
"But then we know she always used Snapchat, and chats are wiped out on that. Or, of course, the man could have supplied her with another phone, a secret phone."

Milton Keynes and the area of Premier Inn near Furzton lake was used before for grooming via Snapchat.
Leah was 19 years old at the time of her disappearance so consent age. However, while grooming is most associated with child sexual abuse, it is also possible for adults to be groomed – or prepared – for abuse.
Would-be Olympian jailed after flying 400 miles to rape a 12-year-old girl in Milton Keynes

 

[SaintGertrude]

This is very telling as Snapchat is encrypted so there is no way of tracing conversations.
People can track your location which may be why Leah turned her phone off for a period of time.

Missing Leah Croucher, 20, was having affair with engaged man before disappearance
Claire said: "You'd think there would be evidence on her phone records of a secret relationship, but there is nothing.
"But then we know she always used Snapchat, and chats are wiped out on that. Or, of course, the man could have supplied her with another phone, a secret phone."

Milton Keynes and the area of Premier Inn near Furzton lake was used before for grooming via Snapchat.
Leah was 19 years old at the time of her disappearance so consent age. However, while grooming is most associated with child sexual abuse, it is also possible for adults to be groomed – or prepared – for abuse.
Would-be Olympian jailed after flying 400 miles to rape a 12-year-old girl in Milton Keynes

8:13am was when Leah posted on Snapchat on the day of her disappearance. This is spoken about on The Missing episode 1 on spotify.
I have noted that the CCTV picked her up in Buzzacott Lane on Furzton at 8.16am so this was just three minutes after her snapchat home. If she met an unknown perpetrator who tracked her snapchat signal it may have been here at Buzzacott Lane. There is an area in Buzzacott lane where there is an end of the road and some trees but not sure what is behind there.

 

[SaintGertrude]

*Duplicated*

 

[Thelastleg]

8:13am was when Leah posted on Snapchat on the day of her disappearance. This is spoken about on The Missing episode 1 on spotify.
I have noted that the CCTV picked her up in Buzzacott Lane on Furzton at 8.16am so this was just three minutes after her snapchat home. If she met an unknown perpetrator who tracked her snapchat signal it may have been here at Buzzacott Lane. There is an area in Buzzacott lane where there is an end of the road and some trees but not sure what is behind there.

Does anyone know what the last Snapchat post was. Maybe give an insight to how she was feeling that day. Perhaps a photo of her walk to work if it was a lovely crisp frosty day.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Does anyone know what the last Snapchat post was. Maybe give an insight to how she was feeling that day. Perhaps a photo of her walk to work if it was a lovely crisp frosty day.

That's an excellent question and not one that has ever been asked here before, as far as I know.

 

[WiseOwl]

Does anyone know what the last Snapchat post was. Maybe give an insight to how she was feeling that day. Perhaps a photo of her walk to work if it was a lovely crisp frosty day.

We don't know exactly what Leah's last post was that morning on Snapchat, although according to this article it was a continuation of something she had done every morning for over three years:

Tearful mum 'not surviving, just existing' since daughter vanished 3 months ago

John Croucher said: "It was a three-and-a-half year streak where every morning she would post something (on Snapchat). That was part of her routine on that Friday morning.

"Then she just disappeared."

 

[SaintGertrude]

We don't know exactly what Leah's last post was that morning on Snapchat, although according to this article it was a continuation of something she had done every morning for over three years:

Tearful mum 'not surviving, just existing' since daughter vanished 3 months ago

John Croucher said: "It was a three-and-a-half year streak where every morning she would post something (on Snapchat). That was part of her routine on that Friday morning.

"Then she just disappeared."

After the snap chat at 8:13am she was seen in Buzzacott Lane Milton Keynes on CCTV at 8.16am. If another witness saw her later at the lake no longer crying but calmer at 11:15am then where was she for nearly two hours. As far as I know Mr X had an alibi so if she wasn't with him then who was she with or was Leah walking around on her own for all this time with no further sightings.

Missing Leah: New appeal a month after she disappeared | ITV News

Missing teen Leah Croucher may have been seen crying on day of disappearance | ITV News
Quote "
Now, Thames Valley Police have revealed that three new witnesses have reported seeing a woman matching Leah's description between 9.30am and 11.15am on the same day.

The witnesses were walking by Furzton Lake, close to where Miss Croucher was last seen.

Two of the witnesses were walking together and described a young woman who was "visibly angry, upset and crying".

They said she was white, aged approximately 20, around 5ft 4ins tall, with dark brown, shoulder length hair.

The witnesses saw her again 20 minutes later, when they said she appeared to be in a calmer state and may have been speaking to someone on a mobile phone, they said.

A third witness described a woman walking around the lake while typing on her phone."

 

[Mrs Marple]

I find it hard to believe she was in a poor mental state if she stuck to her normal Snapchat routine.

Could she have been so fragile that whatever upset her drove her to take her own life? Her family don't seem so sure.

It seems like such a mess. Not sure why LE repeat the mistake of not fully investigating mispers from the off. Lack of resource l guess. We all know how crucial those first few hours are crucial.

Edit: l don't think the potential sightings later that morning are Leah. Why would she not call in sick? Why turn her own phone off and use another one?

Why was Mr X ever in the picture, does anyone know why the family think they were in a relationship?

 

[JuicyLucy]

Not sure why LE repeat the mistake of not fully investigating mispers from the off.

sbm

Because most of the time it would be a complete waste of time and resources.

75% of missing adults turn up within 24 hours, 85% within 48 hours, 95% within a week. The difficulty is that by the time you know who the 5% are going to be, the window of opportunity to figure out what's happened is already half-closed.

There is a real need for an efficient algorithm to reduce the guesswork imo, based, among other things, on the personal history of the missing individual and a range of demographic and environmental factors, and although a lot of police, academic and third sector energy is being put into better understanding the phenomenon of missing episodes we are a long way off having that, as far as I can see.

 

[Mrs Marple]

sbm

Because most of the time it would be a complete waste of time and resources.

75% of missing adults turn up within 24 hours, 85% within 48 hours, 95% within a week. The difficulty is that by the time you know who the 5% are going to be, the window of opportunity to figure out what's happened is already half-closed.

There is a real need for an efficient algorithm to reduce the guesswork imo, based, among other things, on the personal history of the missing individual and a range of demographic and environmental factors, and although a lot of police, academic and third sector energy is being put into better understanding the phenomenon of missing episodes we are a long way off having that, as far as I can see.

This is a great concept but in the absence of it - more resources needed. We don't know if there is a perp out there waiting to do harm to someone else. The consequences of getting things like this wrong are catastrophic.

We've seen it time and again - Yorkshire ripper, Wayne Couzens, Libby Squires' killer, Warboys nearly being released, the Night Stalker, even Robert Napper - dots not being connected due to lack of resources, technology, communication, not taking reports of lesser crimes seriously. So frustrating. Makes me wonder about the state of the world in future.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I wonder why police considered a severed foot in New Waltham, Lincs as being Leah's as it is 130 miles away or was this just the Sun trying to get a sensational story.
Cops searching for missing Leah Croucher, 19, are 'considering link' to woman's severed foot found 130 miles away

 

[SaintGertrude]

Just to hark back a bit, it looks as though TVP did look at the possibility of JMcC's involvement, and presumably ruled it out:

John [Croucher] said: "DCI Howard told us some of the lines of enquiry they have investigated these past 13 months. Ex criminals released from prison, illegal immigrants, paedophiles. Not a nice bunch of people. The kind of people no parent wants their child to ever have to run into."

'We think police got it wrong' say parents of missing Milton Keynes woman Leah Croucher

I wonder who else could be included with the list of people the police investigated as well as possibly JMCC.