Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher - Emerson Valley - Milton Keynes - #6

[Plod]

Yeah the brother death aspect is horrible too, if NM had been checked more throughly Hayden might not have killed himself and gone through all he did. But someone said that Nm death certificate is oct or nov 19 but he died in April 19? Any thoughts?

 

[Coldheat]

IMO, it is hugely important to consider that the prime suspect in this instance took his life only five days after Leah was reported missing. Post-offence behaviour should be a major consideration, and when lining up the suspects, with all other things taken into account (accessibility to the location in which human remains and her belongs were discovered), his su*cide is a MAJOR red flag.

 

[Plod]

IMO, it is hugely important to consider that the prime suspect in this instance took his life only five days after Leah was reported missing. Post-offence behaviour should be a major consideration, and when lining up the suspects, with all other things taken into account (accessibility to the location in which she was found), this is a MAJOR red flag.

Elaborate?

 

[Kinners_D]

Yeah the brother death aspect is horrible too, if NM had been checked more throughly Hayden might not have killed himself and gone through all he did. But someone said that Nm death certificate is oct or nov 19 but he died in April 19? Any thoughts?

There was nothing about NM to check, there was nothing linking him to this crime at that point in time.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but until Monday they had no crime scene to link him to, to them he was a known sex offender who had killed himself while on the run from another crime, they had no idea he was even in the area at the time.

 

[Kinners_D]

IMO, it is hugely important to consider that the prime suspect in this instance took his life only five days after Leah was reported missing. Post-offence behaviour should be a major consideration, and when lining up the suspects, with all other things taken into account (accessibility to the location in which human remains and her belongs were discovered), this is a MAJOR red flag.

Red flag in what way?

 

[miss-scarlett23]

From the beginning it seemed to me that the police were treating it as if Leah had voluntarily disappeared.

I personally don't think this is true. They treated her as a missing person, not a runaway. As with any missing persons case, they relied heavily on members of the public to come forward with information, in order to build a timeline of what occurred. There was nothing to suggest she'd met with foul play, but they wouldn't have tasked dive teams with searching the lake and wouldn't have carried out door to door enquiries at 4000 properties if they believed she had voluntarily disappeared.

 

[Coldheat]

Red flag in what way?

As in someone who feels guilt or remorse about the crime that they committed.

 

[Kinners_D]

I guess he may not have thought it through. To my (hopefully also non-criminal) mind, if a person tried to dismember someone, there'd be an awful lot of mess. If in a state of panic the easiest default way to clear up that mess would be confined to a small area maybe use bin liners and get those bags out of the house and far far away then clean up. The idea of having made that awful mess and deciding to make more of it by traipsing to the uppermost part of the house and needing to travel via a ladder doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.

He was a handy man with, i assume, some very sharp and powerful tools so it may have seemed somehow "logical" to him, a body is a big thing, smaller things are hard to find.

Speculation of course, and not something we will ever know or understand (hopefully).

 

[Skigh]

IMO, it is hugely important to consider that the prime suspect in this instance took his life only five days after Leah was reported missing. Post-offence behaviour should be a major consideration, and when lining up the suspects, with all other things taken into account (accessibility to the location in which human remains and her belongs were discovered), this is a MAJOR red flag.

that is not correct.Leah was reported missing on 15th Feb.The prime suspect killed himself in April.

 

[SpursGyal]

IMO, it is hugely important to consider that the prime suspect in this instance took his life only five days after Leah was reported missing. Post-offence behaviour should be a major consideration, and when lining up the suspects, with all other things taken into account (accessibility to the location in which human remains and her belongs were discovered), his su*cide is a MAJOR red flag.

DBM, Skigh beat me to it.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yeah the brother death aspect is horrible too, if NM had been checked more throughly Hayden might not have killed himself and gone through all he did. But someone said that Nm death certificate is oct or nov 19 but he died in April 19? Any thoughts?

Post mortem held up by lack of identification plus lack of consent of next of kin. Add a possible dispute or request that created an inquiry, or more detailed further testing needed, toxicology etc. Whole thing can take many months. Also, bizarrely, recently a family member died suddenly and the death certificate was dated the date they were located and declared dead BUT they had been dead longer. The coroners office said that's how they do it nowadays, the date they were located, but I found that extremely hard to comprehend and believe.

 

[Angel_nix]

It's one thing to have free access to the home and carry tools / ladder in and out, it's quite another to get a body up a ladder into an attic hatch. Also, it's a very specific location that would not enable a killer to evade their crime.

I don't think it's inconceivable to get a body up into a loft. We store a lot of stuff in our loft and my husband, who is definitely not a gym bunny, is quite happy to lug stuff up and down the ladder. Someone suggested the use of ropes in a previous post, or pushing a box up a ladder to the top. Add in adrenaline and it's amazing what the human body can do with their strength.

 

[Coldheat]

DBM, Skigh beat me to it.

My mistake- got dates wrong!

 

[Curiousobserver]

dbm

 

[Coldheat]

that is not correct.Leah was reported missing on 15th Feb.The prime suspect killed himself in April.

Sorry yes- I'm Incorrect, got the dates wrong.

 

[Notascreenname]

Yeah the brother death aspect is horrible too, if NM had been checked more throughly Hayden might not have killed himself and gone through all he did. But someone said that Nm death certificate is oct or nov 19 but he died in April 19? Any thoughts?

Inquest I'd have thought.

 

[Kinners_D]

As in someone who feels guilt or remorse about the crime that they committed.

That's what I thought, just wanted to clarify, it could have a few different meanings and I didn't want to misunderstand your point.

I do agree that it does seem to align with a fear/remorse response to what he had done, or the consequences of what he had done catching up with him.

Bearing in mind that to him, he'd murdered and hidden a body very close to where there was now a huge police response to the missing girl he had murdered. Just imagining knowing what he had done and reliving every little detail, wondering if he had left a clue, been seen and the amount of attention it was getting... the pressure on him would be huge and for whatever reason, guilt, remorse, fear, consequences of his actions, he took the option with the certain outcome rather than living with the unknown chasing him.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I don't think it's inconceivable to get a body up into a loft. We store a lot of stuff in our loft and my husband, who is definitely not a gym bunny, is quite happy to lug stuff up and down the ladder. Someone suggested the use of ropes in a previous post, or pushing a box up a ladder to the top. Add in adrenaline and it's amazing what the human body can do with their strength.

But why wouldn't he use all that adrenaline and energy to get the body and the bag as far away as possible from him? Hiding things in the attic is not a very good hiding place.

Perhaps he couldn't drive his car for fear of being pulled over but I assume he was using a vehicle all this time?

 

[Alyce]

dbm

 

[Fiercelobster]

What the heck, magically an unpaid parking fine letter appears the same time as a murder suspect is named!

Addressed to a house where he wasn't living. Or a registered keeper address? And it would've shown on credit files that he was dead. It would've been taken out of his "estate".

That's weird to me.

However, we do know that Leah worked at a debt recovery firm. Am not assuming anything from this. I find it strange that this has appeared today.

Not necessarily bizarre. It could easily be that the neighbour was collecting the mail for the owner, had a huge pile of mail from that address with tons of different names, and only sifted through to look for that name once it was announced.

I used to collect a neighbour's mail and it would have many names from previous tenants amongst them. I wouldnt have thought anything of it but of course the moment a name is announced it would make sense to check the pile.