Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher - Emerson Valley - Milton Keynes - #6

[Kinners_D]

I don't think it's inconceivable to get a body up into a loft. We store a lot of stuff in our loft and my husband, who is definitely not a gym bunny, is quite happy to lug stuff up and down the ladder. Someone suggested the use of ropes in a previous post, or pushing a box up a ladder to the top. Add in adrenaline and it's amazing what the human body can do with their strength.

Lifting a body as a dead weight is no mean feat, I have been in the unfortunate position of having to lift an unconscious person and while my adrenaline was probably not as high as someone hiding a body it was a huge effort just to get them off the ground, let alone 8ft up a ladder.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Post mortem held up by lack of identification plus lack of consent of next of kin. Add a possible dispute or request that created an inquiry, or more detailed further testing needed, toxicology etc. Whole thing can take many months. Also, bizarrely, recently a family member died suddenly and the death certificate was dated the date they were located and declared dead BUT they had been dead longer. The coroners office said that's how they do it nowadays, the date they were located, but I found that extremely hard to comprehend and believe.

That happened to a relative of mine (going back 20 years now). The date of death was the date of the post mortem rather than the actual date of death even though they determined it to be 9 days prior. It could have been applied for to be changed but that takes weeks therefore delaying the funeral etc

 

[pedronz06]

Looking at google maps the only house that would have direct sight to the front of number 2, would be no.4 directly next door and no.13 at an odd angle and a reasonable distance. It's not hard to believe that no one saw his comings and goings.

ETA - It's actually creepily secluded for a normal city residential street

I wonder if number 4 left when they put the property on sale in September 2018, 2 months before he turned up. Oddly enough it was sold a few months after he commited suicide.

 

[pedronz06]

Lifting a body as a dead weight is no mean feat, I have been in the unfortunate position of having to lift an unconscious person and while my adrenaline was probably not as high as someone hiding a body it was a huge effort just to get them off the ground, let alone 8ft up a ladder.

He could have dismembered her.

 

[Kinners_D]

He could have dismembered her.

This was my original post a page or so back, we were discussing the likelihood of 3 scenarios, body intact taken to loft, body not in tack taken to loft and forced into loft whilst alive.

 

[pedronz06]

Sorry for being gruesome but... If a person had gone to that extent, wouldn't someone like NM who was always transiently roaming around the country take the body parts and distribute / bury / burn / throw into lake or sea? So as to avoid discovery. As opposed to the really really hard work of lifting into attic and then fixing them to his known location? Hence I was wondering if she may have been forced up into the attic whilst alive

I doubt he would have left her alone in the attic alive as she could easily remove tiles and get onto roof, if he killed her there her screams would likely be heard from street.

 

[miss-scarlett23]

Yeah the brother death aspect is horrible too, if NM had been checked more throughly Hayden might not have killed himself and gone through all he did. But someone said that Nm death certificate is oct or nov 19 but he died in April 19? Any thoughts?

Deaths of unnatural causes have to be investigated by the local coroner. Therefore, an inquest and the coroners verdict on cause of death would have to happen before the death certificate was issued.
Coroner's inquests tend to take place months after the actual death.

 

[jackal67]

Still doesn’t add up though that it is him

He didn’t look the type that Leah would go for so I doubt she went willingly so only way he could have snatched Leah is if he “leapt out of a bush” and surprised her but again in a busy residential area in the rush hour/school run how likely is that? doesn’t add up, he would have to drag her from the street up that drive that is surrounded by neighbours and am sure she would have screamed/used her martial arts skills

We do not know That Leah wasn't abducted/ killed elsewhere and that her body was taken to the house after to be hidden?Also if we are assuming that he was living/ or often at the house wouldn't the neighbours have noticed this?

 

[pedronz06]

Yeah the brother death aspect is horrible too, if NM had been checked more throughly Hayden might not have killed himself and gone through all he did. But someone said that Nm death certificate is oct or nov 19 but he died in April 19? Any thoughts?

John doe for several months? Even though he was wanted and there were news articles, I don't recall there being a news article about his death at the time. I.e. were no longer looking for him. Maybe he left his car at another location (hence the parking tickets) and had no ID on him.

 

[infinit]

We do not know That Leah wasn't abducted/ killed elsewhere and that her body was taken to the house after to be hidden?

I guess it's possible, it would just be quite a large coincidence that the house he had available just so happened to be on her exact route to work.

 

[infinit]

John doe for several months? Don't recall there being a news article about his death at the time.

Suicide doesn't tend to get much media attention.

 

[Vegancheeseontoast]

Hello, first post here. The way the police described the crime scene as “very difficult” may perhaps lean towards the fact that she wasn’t in 1 piece (sorry to say so bluntly). Other than the obvious fact she had most likely been dead for over 3 years.

 

[Kinners_D]

We do not know That Leah wasn't abducted/ killed elsewhere and that her body was taken to the house after to be hidden?

It would seem odd for her to be abducted/murdered elsewhere then transported back to a house which was on her walking route to/from work.

Stranger things have happened but it seems unlikely

 

[Willowy]

John doe for several months? Don't recall there being a news article about his death at the time.

Do we know other details from the death cert?

 

[Kinners_D]

Hello, first post here. The way the police described the crime scene as “very difficult” may perhaps lean towards the fact that she wasn’t in 1 piece (sorry to say so bluntly). Other than the obvious fact she had most likely been dead for over 3 years.

Possibly but could also relate to the fact a loft is a small, enclosed place and would be difficult for a forensics team to work in.

 

[Smutty94]

Searched online for his name or a police article of him being wanted etc... only thing I could find...

 

[WiseOwl]

I would still like to know where Leah went on the evening before she went missing.

Her parents said she left at 6.00 and came back around 7.15.

I always thought that this had something to do with her disappearance, after all she did lie to her parents about where she had been.

So where did she go? Why deceive her parents?

Did Leah Croucher lie to parents and disable phone locations BEFORE she went missing in Milton Keynes?

Missing teenager Leah Croucher may have disabled the location setting on her mobile phone the evening BEFORE she went missing, police have revealed.

www.miltonkeynes.co.uk

 

[trendsetter]

Not necessarily bizarre. It could easily be that the neighbour was collecting the mail for the owner, had a huge pile of mail from that address with tons of different names, and only sifted through to look for that name once it was announced.

I used to collect a neighbour's mail and it would have many names from previous tenants amongst them. I wouldnt have thought anything of it but of course the moment a name is announced it would make sense to check the pile.

So the neighbour had a key to the property. Where did he get they key from, I wonder? Was it from Maxwell?

 

[infinit]

Possibly but could also relate to the fact a loft is a small, enclosed place and would be difficult for a forensics team to work in.

If it's anything like some of the lofts I've had, you've also got the risk of putting your feet through the ceiling.

 

[Kinners_D]

If it's anything like some of the lofts I've had, you've also got the risk of putting your feet through the ceiling.

Totally, which is probably why they have the scaffolding in to build a foundation to walk on or to be able to access the loft from the room below.