Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher - Emerson Valley - Milton Keynes - #6

[dalsglen]

Lifting a body as a dead weight is no mean feat, I have been in the unfortunate position of having to lift an unconscious person and while my adrenaline was probably not as high as someone hiding a body it was a huge effort just to get them off the ground, let alone 8ft up a ladder.

Can use the rafters as a pulley system though.

 

[Plod]

If it's anything like some of the lofts I've had, you've also got the risk of putting your feet through the ceiling.

Plus just awful other things as well, which arise from a dead body decomposing. Sorry

 

[Kinners_D]

Can use the rafters as a pulley system though.

Yes, you could do that. It just doesn't make sense to me to do that, but I do concede it is a possibility.

 

[miss-scarlett23]

Possibly but could also relate to the fact a loft is a small, enclosed place and would be difficult for a forensics team to work in.

Also unless the loft was boarded, she would of either been placed on the roof joists or the loft insulation between the joists. I hate to say this..... But after decomposition, I would imagine parts of her skeletal remains would have been resting in the loft insulation, hence the reason the recovery of her remains was a complex task.

 

[dalsglen]

Yes, you could do that. It just doesn't make sense to me to do that, but I do concede it is a possibility.

I have balance issues and the loft ladders aren't great when carrying stuff. Can't believe I've never thought to do this before.

 

[ruby925]

I can't remember the name of the perpetrator or victim sadly, but there was a case in London where a woman was lured into a house on her way to work, the perp pretended there was a wife in some medical trouble inside. He kept the woman in the house,tied up, raped her. After a time, she pretended to be dead and he left, setting the house on fire. The woman escaped naked into the street with serious burns. I cannot link to MSM as I can't remember the names of those involved but it was a widely reported case and shows how the most savvy people can be lured into a stranger's house.
Edited as I have found the case, Merlyn Nuttall wrote a book about her ordeal

It Could Have Been You

In 1992, Nuttall survived a horrific rape and attempted murder but her fight to recover and to gain compensation brought her into surprising areas of resistance

blackwells.co.uk

 

[Kinners_D]

I have balance issues and the loft ladders aren't great when carrying stuff. Can't believe I've never thought to do this before.

My biggest issue with this is what would be used as rope, not many handymen have used for long enough lengths of rope which would be required to do this, and other cords would not be strong enough to hold a body.

You know what, I don't want to think about this anymore. My curious brain wants to speculate on how's and why's but there is a very real dead person in all of this and a grieving family.

 

[masekwm]

I think those that are on this thread and live in Milton Keynes know how much pressure was on this case. Photos of Leah were all over the bridges, underpasses, shops, billboards, on peoples cars, you would hear people talking about her in shops.. he obviously killed himself knowing that he wasn’t going to get away with this for very long and wasn’t going to be able to outrun it. What I can’t understand is how he got her into the house without anybody seeing though.

I can tell you how easy it would be for him to evade it, I live locally but work in Hertfordshire, not one person at work knew about the case. All he had to do was move outside of MK, even to Bedford and it's forgotten about.

 

[Kinners_D]

I can tell you how easy it would be for him to evade it, I live locally but work in Hertfordshire, not one person at work knew about the case. All he had to do was move outside of MK, even to Bedford and it's forgotten about.

My only counter to this is that unless he was a complete sociopath then he would not be able to escape the fear and paranoia created in his own head. As much as the world outside MK may be able to forget he would not.

 

[crazychris]

I never agreed with all you here who were blaming Mr.X. He was just a huge red herring. ITV news just said police believe the suspect who killed himself was her killer. At least the cloud of suspicion will be lifted from MrX and his family.

 

[tedtink]

Well I guess we could go on speculating forever but without a perp to prosecute and no evidence due to lack of a trial, I doubt we'll be privy to the nuts and bolts of this murder, except CoD.
Maybe that's for the best.

RIP LC

 

[BrianJohnson]

I can tell you how easy it would be for him to evade it, I live locally but work in Hertfordshire, not one person at work knew about the case. All he had to do was move outside of MK, even to Bedford and it's forgotten about.

Agree

I live on the Dorset/Wiltshire border and none of my family or friends or colleagues had heard of Leah even after 3 years, knew nothing about the case until headlines of last couple of days

 

[BrianJohnson]

I never agreed with all you here who were blaming Mr.X. He was just a huge red herring. ITV news just said they police believe the suspect who killed himself was her killer. At least the cloud of suspicion will be lifted from MrX and his family.

His actions bought the suspicion on himself tbf

Refused to cooperate with police, refused to give access to his phone so that police could see the messages between him and Leah and the timings of calls etc, he acted like he had something to hide so even if he is innocent he created suspicion

 

[Skigh]

I never agreed with all you here who were blaming Mr.X. He was just a huge red herring. ITV news just said they police believe the suspect who killed himself was her killer. At least the cloud of suspicion will be lifted from MrX and his family.

It was not just people on here who thought Mr X was involved, it was Leah's family too.
I think many people are completely shocked about the news today,but their thoughts and sympathies are for the Croucher family who have lost two beloved children .

 

[Firstsnow4]

I would still like to know where Leah went on the evening before she went missing.

Her parents said she left at 6.00 and came back around 7.15.

I always thought that this had something to do with her disappearance, after all she did lie to her parents about where she had been.

So where did she go? Why deceive her parents?

Did Leah Croucher lie to parents and disable phone locations BEFORE she went missing in Milton Keynes?

Missing teenager Leah Croucher may have disabled the location setting on her mobile phone the evening BEFORE she went missing, police have revealed.

www.miltonkeynes.co.uk

Long time since I’ve been on here and terribly saddened to hear about the news about Leah. My heart goes out to her family - her poor brother also.

I have to ask the same question as wise owl. I hate saying it but could have NM have been the mystery man she had been seeing? Had he potentially groomed her, got to know her over the four months he was carrying out maintenance. It’s easy to start chatting to someone who regularly walks past. JMO.

 

[Miss_French]

His actions bought the suspicion on himself tbf

Refused to cooperate with police, refused to give access to his phone so that police could see the messages between him and Leah and the timings of calls etc, he acted like he had something to hide so even if he is innocent he created suspicion

That was the family's view, not that of the police:

"Police say they spoke to Mr X early in the investigation and have no reason to be suspicious."

'We think police got it wrong' say parents of missing Milton Keynes woman Leah Croucher

The parents of Leah Croucher have, for the first time ever, publicly criticised police for not looking closely enough at someone the family believe may hold vital information about their daughter.

www.miltonkeynes.co.uk

 

[Kinners_D]

His actions bought the suspicion on himself tbf

Refused to cooperate with police, refused to give access to his phone so that police could see the messages between him and Leah and the timings of calls etc, he acted like he had something to hide so even if he is innocent he created suspicion

Where was it reported that he was uncooperative, didn't give access to phone etc?

He did have something to hide, he was probably having an affair/was inappropriately close with a younger woman, who was subordinate to him at work which could ruin his home life and career if it came out.

He did cooperate enough for the police to rule him out as not a suspect. If there was anything linking him to the (at the time suspected) crime then his phone would have been seized and pulled apart by a digital forensics team, along with any other computers etc he had.

I can't remember where I heard it recently but the quote was "I hope the apologies are as loud as the accusations"

 

[OceanElix]

Apologies I have missed a few pages trying to catch up, am I right thinking that Police have named Maxwell a suspect on the basis of information from the house owners stating he was the only one who had keys to house at that time? Just on that information or have Police shared anything further to tie him to this, DNA on Leah's bag/items or anything other that places him as the main suspect?
Sorry if I've missed this.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Where was it reported that he was uncooperative, didn't give access to phone etc?

He did have something to hide, he was probably having an affair/was inappropriately close with a younger woman, who was subordinate to him at work which could ruin his home life and career if it came out.

He did cooperate enough for the police to rule him out as not a suspect. If there was anything linking him to the (at the time suspected) crime then his phone would have been seized and pulled apart by a digital forensics team, along with any other computers etc he had.

I can't remember where I heard it recently but the quote was "I hope the apologies are as loud as the accusations"

Fortunately, we never named him here as far as I know.

 

[Cherwell]

Ive looked on google images and in sept 2018 there was definitely someone living in the house 2 loxbeare drive cleaning products in the window and hanging baskets hanging outside on either side of the door. But the pedophile was locked up in 2017 ???? Please see pics strange

According to the captions on your screenshots that is No 4, not No 2.