Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher - Emerson Valley - Milton Keynes - #7

[Scorpiette]

none of this makes sense to me. If I lived abroad and owned a large expensive house overseas, I would be very careful about who had access to that property? I would want references at the very least? How was he paid and by whom also.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. I keep getting a crazy strange thought that this property is used for some other purpose...not quite a 'safe house' but an organisation...charity, government,police connection... I'm just throwing this idea out there. Although it doesn't make much sense if the owners returned each summer.

Thoughts anyone?

 

[Miss_French]

but that isn't proof is it? The owners gave his name but they lived abroad so how could they know he had actually been in the house? Who gave him keys?

Proof of what? The police have named a suspect and said they will investigate him further. It's not NM did it, case closed.

 

[Jaesu]

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. I keep getting a crazy strange thought that this property is used for some other purpose...not quite a 'safe house' but an organisation...charity, government,police connection... I'm just throwing this idea out there. Although it doesn't make much sense if the owners returned each summer.
Does this post belong on the MT?!
Thoughts anyone?

It certainly doesn't for me either.
My thoughts were the owners covering up that another key holder existed during the time - a friend or family member, as they believe it couldn't possibly be them and NM had form.

 

[Miss_French]

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Going back to this image. That white vehicle could be a white pick up truck. Very difficult to tell but perhaps if this is the case could that vehicle have been found at the address in garage and knowingly belonging to nm. Hence the connection as far as aware I'm not sure whether the white pick up was moved out of garage or was the matienance guy. It looked pretty green like it had been stood as opposed to the latter. Hope this helps and makes sense

Looks like a car to me, if you consider the slope of the windows and bodywork on the LHS of the vehicle.

 

[Miss_French]

Ladders are mostly used for outside maintenance, such as gutter clearing. There might have been a ladder kept in the garage, NM wouldn't necessarily have needed to bring one.

Painting? Plastering? Tiling? Fitted furniture?

 

[pedronz06]

none of this makes sense to me. If I lived abroad and owned a large expensive house overseas, I would be very careful about who had access to that property? I would want references at the very least? How was he paid and by whom also.

That's you but people from the tropics don't. In many countries I have lived in they do little or no checking of anything, just like we probably didn't back in the 50s and 60s. They were also not here for most of the time so it would be difficult to do themselves. They probably trusted their neighbour at 4 to keep an eye on everything for them esp if they have no rental income for the property. I'm sure after the last family, they probably didn't want to rent it out again.

 

[Moirasrosegarden]

The ladder thing has no relevance at all. There could be a fitted ladder to the loft latch, but the people who came on Monday needed to look at a different part of the ceiling. It’s a complete red herring.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Do you have a source, because AFAIK that has never been confirmed?

The last physical sighting was allegedly near Tellytubby Hill.

Crying girl was seen around the lake/car park area? it has never been proved it was Leah but the description matched what she was wearing

 

[Outside the box]

I don't doubt your word but still find it strange anyone would do that? I am guessing they may have been people with property Portfolios ? How were you paid ? Did you provide references? Bank details ,address etc? Was your work checked by anyone on completion?

It's been slightly different a few times over the years but the example I mention involved an advert on line posted by property owner, I initially messaged a reply, stating my experience and ability to do what was being asked, exchange of messages initially, then a phone call, keys sent to the address I specified, in this case it was my home, job checked and priced then phone call/messages to owner to confirm details, I personally give bank details for a transfer but many alternative ways, I would send a couple of pictures of progress etc.. every now and again and be paid for what I invoiced weekly, at the end of the job keys were sent to the owner, I never met him once, you are correct about him having more than one property but that's not always been the case and similar has happened a couple more times.

 

[pedronz06]

Do you have a source, because AFAIK that has never been confirmed?

The last physical sighting was allegedly near Tellytubby Hill.

Let's say suspected but there is the image

Leah Croucher: Police re-release images after woman comes forward

Detectives say they are "absolutely committed" to finding Leah Croucher who was last seen in 2019.

www.bbc.co.uk

The last ping for the phone was in that area.
Someone else see a girl matching her description who said she was upset and on the phone.
How many people would enter an area of 500 meters wearing all black within a 2-3 hour period on a cold, work day? (presumably a school day too). She would also most likely catch the bus on his side of the road to leave the estate and head to the city, she's not going home or to work (esp. if it was a phone call with bf or ex bf at work that upset her and she didn't want to talk to him anymore esp as she supposed to be at work with him - she's most likely late too) so she would most likely especially after a few hours in the cold head to the city center where it's warm, where else would she go? Maybe she didn't know what to do and when she got on loxbeare drive she has three choices, go home, go to work or catch bus to city. I presume she wasn't standing outside for long as a bus/ car camera would have picked her up.

It's also later, so less traffic and people around. Maybe she even asked him about the buses if he was working outside in front of the garage and she wasn't familiar with the bus stop and routes, there no shelter there with bus info on for her to look at either. Judging by the Newport pagnell incident he had no problem attacking women in broad daylight in or near an object that would identify him.

 

[Outside the box]

Let's say suspected but there is the image

Leah Croucher: Police re-release images after woman comes forward

Detectives say they are "absolutely committed" to finding Leah Croucher who was last seen in 2019.

www.bbc.co.uk

The last ping for the phone was in that area.
Someone else see a girl matching her description who said she was upset and on the phone.
How many people would wear all black on same morning within a distance of 500 meters within a few hours of eachother and be out in the cold? She would also most likely catch the bus on his side of the road to leave the estate to and head to the city, maybe she even asked him if he was standing outside.

I personally don't believe it was LC and her phone could of just as easily been in number 2 loxbeare when it was last pinged, black or dark clothing is very common, she was only 5ft 2" and this could easily have been a teenage girl who often wear black trousers/skirt and have a black coat and back pack, also high school girls are known for emotional outbursts, it would be interesting to know the colour of school uniform in the area.
The powers that be could actually triangulate an area and from the time the girl was seen they could check which phones were active on the networks to try and locate that person, it's a lot of work and possibility off 100's of number but it is achievable I believe, I just don't think it was her, I believe she never made it past the house unfortunately, just my opinion..

 

[infinit]

Personally I now think the sighting at the lake was probably a red herring. Her phone went off after 10 minutes of when she'd have passed the house if that's the route she took. The witnesses who saw someone similar said it was between 9:30 and 11:15 that they saw someone matching the description, on a phone and crying. Unless Leah had a 2nd phone it can't have been her. You'd also thought she'd have called work to say a reason why she wasn't going to be in.

 

[Jaesu]

Personally I now think the sighting at the lake was probably a red herring. Her phone went off after 10 minutes of when she'd have passed the house if that's the route she took. The witnesses who saw someone similar said it was between 9:30 and 11:15 that they saw someone matching the description, on a phone and crying. Unless Leah had a 2nd phone it can't have been her. You'd also thought she'd have called work to say a reason why she wasn't going to be in.

I agree. I don't think she went beyond loxbeare drive and the phone was switched off by the attacker (likely after she was killed).

 

[Outside the box]

Personally I now think the sighting at the lake was probably a red herring. Her phone went off after 10 minutes of when she'd have passed the house if that's the route she took. The witnesses who saw someone similar said it was between 9:30 and 11:15 that they saw someone matching the description, on a phone and crying. Unless Leah had a 2nd phone it can't have been her. You'd also thought she'd have called work to say a reason why she wasn't going to be in.

I would imagine she was known in the area so I also find it strange nobody recognised her, even if they didn't actually know her personally, probability suggests it was unlikely to be LC in my opinion.

 

[Willowy]

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. I keep getting a crazy strange thought that this property is used for some other purpose...not quite a 'safe house' but an organisation...charity, government,police connection... I'm just throwing this idea out there. Although it doesn't make much sense if the owners returned each summer.

Thoughts anyone's?

This is not unusual at all. NM was not personally handed the keys by the owners.

As far as we know, he was working on behalf of a property management company. The house owners happened to choose that property management company to take care of their house. That's just what many people do who can't take care of property day to day.

More context: I can't speak for all of them of course, but property management companies are notorious for employing absolute *cowboys* to do maintenence work on the properties they manage. They want the work done quick, cheap and hassle free. To demonstrate this point, in this case, the property management company employed a well known convicted rapist to go into people's homes...

(Edited due to typo)

 

[jackal67]

Proof of what? The police have named a suspect and said they will investigate him further. It's not NM did it, case closed.

I just want to know on what evidence the police named him as a suspect? Other than the owner saying be had keys to the property? Even then being at the property doesn't prove he is a murderer. I also can't believe that no one else has entered the property either then or since. For example the people who entered the property in Monday and found items of concern? Who have them keys? If we are to believe Leahs remains and belongings have been at the house since February 2019 ,then the owners stayed there in July 2019 get noticed nothing of concern yet over 3 years later people enter the house and immediately contact police because of concerns. That makes no sense either IMO

 

[tedtink]

Some of the alleged sighting's of LC need to be discounted and all not woven into wild theories without any factual evidence otherwise it could lead to a wild goose chase all the way to 'Bray Barn'.

MOO

 

[Miss_French]

Let's say suspected but there is the image

Leah Croucher: Police re-release images after woman comes forward

Detectives say they are "absolutely committed" to finding Leah Croucher who was last seen in 2019.

www.bbc.co.uk

The last ping for the phone was in that area.
Someone else see a girl matching her description who said she was upset and on the phone.
How many people would enter an area of 500 meters wearing all black within a 2-3 hour period on a cold, work day? (presumably a school day too). She would also most likely catch the bus on his side of the road to leave the estate and head to the city, she's not going home or to work (esp. if it was a phone call with bf or ex bf at work that upset her) so she would most likely head to the city, it's also later, so less traffic and people around. Maybe she even asked him about the buses if he was working outside in front of the garage and she wasn't familiar with the bus stop and routes, there no shelter there with bus info on for her to look at either. Judging by the Newport pagnell incident he had no problem attacking women in broad daylight in or near an object that would identify him.

The report said a 5' 4" girl who looked about 20; taller and apparently older looking than Leah.

She was only seen upset once; initially she was just texting, later she was said to be 'calmer'.

Why would Leah head to the city if the first sighting at the lake is around 9.30am?

Was it Leah Croucher who was spotted "angry and upset" on her phone on the day she vanished in Milton Keynes?

A girl that may have been Leah Croucher was seen "visibly angry, upset and crying" by Furzton Lake on the morning she disappeared, police have today revealed.

www.miltonkeynes.co.uk

 

[jackal67]

It's been slightly different a few times over the years but the example I mention involved an advert on line posted by property owner, I initially messaged a reply, stating my experience and ability to do what was being asked, exchange of messages initially, then a phone call, keys sent to the address I specified, in this case it was my home, job checked and priced then phone call/messages to owner to confirm details, I personally give bank details for a transfer but many alternative ways, I would send a couple of pictures of progress etc.. every now and again and be paid for what I invoiced weekly, at the end of the job keys were sent to the owner, I never met him once, you are correct about him having more than one property but that's not always been the case and similar has happened a couple more times.

Thanks. That sounds like a lot of contact and checks involved between you and the owner so that I can understand. However do you think this was the case here with NM and the owner! Why would be give his correct name when he was wanted by police ?

 

[Outside the box]

Thanks. That sounds like a lot of contact and checks involved between you and the owner so that I can understand. However do you think this was the case here with NM and the owner! Why would be give his correct name when he was wanted by police ?

Honestly I could of had the same conversations but changed my name, address and how I wanted to be paid and I would of still got the job, he didn't check, just trusted me from what I said, NW was probably a born manipulator and that was the way he lived his life and got what he wanted, some people are just really trusting I suppose and people like NW take advantage of that, he could of even been employed as a sub contractor and working for a company but I don't think so.