Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #5 *ARREST*

[otto]

Yes I mentioned Russell Williams as well, Otto. He had quite the collection of stolen women’s undergarments.

Yes. Russell Williams also targeted a woman who taught music on the military base. She survived, but all her sex toys were missing, her computer was tampered with, and he was in her house when she discovered this. Luckily, her male neighbor was with her so she stayed with him that night and survived.

 

[PaddyOreally?]

If the stolen items were recovered from his house, since he has pled not guilty to all charges, how would he explain how they got there - 'don't know' 'no comment' or was given them or bought them from someone, in which case another person is implicated in the burglaries and yet another person was the flasher? so his unluck is running very high in all aspects of this case.

I was thinking about that. Maybe he said someone was staying at his house and that they must have been his. That could explain why the police were asking if anyone else lived in the house .

 

[sf18]

Seen it too many times a lad near me drowned before Christmas and in his case the bus driver did not let him get on the bus because he had too much to drink

Oh gosh that’s aweful May he rest in peace if only he had let him on

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Marzena Relowicz – whose son Pawel, 24, is being questioned by police over the missing student – said ‘everyone has a weak side and there is no such thing as an ideal person’.

Not an overwhelming vote of confidence from your mother is it?

She says that she was "told" that he had given her a lift......but does not say who told her.

Presumably the sister or his wife?

 

[Miss_French]

I really don't think that guy in the cobweb CCTV is PR. I know it keeps being dismissed here but the daily mail made a point of saying "As part of their ongoing investigation, police arrested a 24-year-old man yesterday, thought he is not thought to be the man in the CCTV footage. "

CCTV probe in Libby Squire's disappearance after man caught on camera getting into car | Daily Mail Online

I DO however believe Libby was in PR's car, like his sister said, and there was an altercation which resulted in the neighbour hearing screams but at this moment I'm leaning more towards him leaving her at her house and either her returning to the bench and getting into the car with the CCTV guy, being abducted by someone else or wandering off on her own somewhere(like the Oak playing fields and that's why they don't have a specific place to search in the park but all over, guessing).
I know people here don't like hearing people say they don't believe he's guilty..sorry :/ He makes the perfect suspect though with the creeping/stealing/voyeurism and being one of the last people to see her.

I think they released that CCTV footage for a reason and that's to try and get that man to come forward to identify themselves and rules themselves out just because of the close proximity to where Libby was last seen. There could be numerous reasons why he isn't coming forward, maybe he's picking up a prostitute, maybe he was committing crimes that night, maybe he has a criminal record which would make the police suspicious that he could be involved or maybe he is actually someone who has abducted/hurt her. I just don't think it's PR.

Look at the timeline in post#5. Without all the specific timings, the order of events is: Libby is dropped home by taxi, walks off and is seen on the bench, approached by grey-haired man, leaves area around the time the car in the cctv drives away, screams heard by the neighbour. With Libby being seen on cctv at the bench for around 25 minutes, the only way she could have been in PR's car if he's not the one on the cctv is if she was in PR's car between the taxi drop-off and arriving at the bench.

 

[audge86]

I personally believe he only talked to his wife. I think his sister and mother are just saying what the wife told them.

It makes sense to me that it's the excuse that he told his wife when the police showed up at their door. She then filled his mom and sister in on what happened and what he said to her

 

[sf18]

I agree. The famous case here where Morgan Harrington was raped and murdered by a serial killer because she was not let back in a Metallica concert because she was also tipsy and there was a no re-entry policy. My understanding is she was also crying hysterically and they still would not let her in.

Ironically she also did not have her own car keys because her "friends" had them still inside the concert. So she was stumbling around in the parking lot trying to figure out what to do and again, ironically (how freakin ironic) she was picked up by a cab driver who turned out to be a serial killer.

There has to be a better policy when these places run into that situation. Call a cab themselves and make sure they get in their door safely or something.

JLM Charged in Morgan Harrington murder

Oh that is just aweful poor woman hope she rests in peace that is a very sad story if only they had let her in at the end of the day they don’t really care but sometimes it can end up like that because they didn’t let her in. What were the chances her cab driver was a rapist and killer too that’s aweful she must have thought she would be safe and would get home safe and ended up complete opposite hope he got locked up.

 

[sf18]

I wish someone had checked for her keys and put them into her hand...maybe even bar employees could do that when they send people away in cabs...would it be so hard?

I know they definitely need to start doing something, it’s so sad the only way this will stop happening is looking out for each other, however I was thinking even if the taxi driver had checked that she got in okay but these days taxi drivers won’t make sure u get in okay or help you in in that state as they don’t want to get accused of anything because of people that get falsely accused. really hope the pubs and clubs do more and learn from this.

 

[audge86]

Look at the timeline in post#5. Without all the specific timings, the order of events is: Libby is dropped home by taxi, walks off and is seen on the bench, approached by grey-haired man, leaves area around the time the car in the cctv drives away, screams heard by the neighbour. With Libby being seen on cctv at the bench for around 25 minutes, the only way she could have been in PR's car if he's not the one on the cctv is if she was in PR's car between the taxi drop-off and arriving at the bench.

I'm wondering if he was being pervy on Libby's street as she was stumbling home after sitting on the bench. He forced her into his car(scream heard by neighbor followed by the gate was him somehow incapacitating her). Then drove her to the park. More screaming followed as she woke up

Maybe she stumbled upon him being a creep and he panicked.

Could be wrong of course. But that makes the most sense to me.

 

[sf18]

I'm wondering if he was being pervy on Libby's street as she was stumbling home after sitting on the bench. He forced her into his car(scream heard by neighbor followed by the gate was him somehow incapacitating her). Then drove her to the park. More screaming followed as she woke up

Maybe she stumbled upon him being a creep and he panicked.

Could be wrong of course. But that makes the most sense to me.

Yes maybe she threatened to tell someone something about him and he panicked

 

[Foxymona]

good morning everyone- hopefully they find Libby today- her poor family must be going through hell.

 

[LucyRocket]

CCTV appeal after man orders sandwich then exposes himself

I would imagine the staff would have known if he was polish

 

[Sairzz]

I can't seem to find what time the man with the grey hair stopped to check on the woman however we do know he was driving a Citroen, could this be the same citroen we see on the CCTV? Do the times match? If so I am wondering if the reason he stopped is maybe he saw PR pestering her and her crying and thats why he stopped to ask if she was ok, I'm wondering if he phoned the police and reported it?

 

[PeachUK]

Very much agree with you here.

I am very interested in the psychology of offenders and have thought from the beginning here that he does not quite fit comfortably into a particular mould.....

..but in the back of my mind is the feeling that we are not working with the full facts here.

For example we know nothing about his life prior to what we have been told in the last 11 days.

At the same point in the yorkshire ripper enquiry, Peter Sutcliffe would still have been filed as a hard working husband,friend and son

It was only with knowledge of his whole story that we were able to see that his whole life had been the making of a serial killer.

So for now i am open to both arguments with this chap.

I think there must be something to be read into the notable lack of support for his character.

Where is his wife to protest his innocence?
Where are his friends to tell anyone what a top guy he is?
What about his employer?
Or for that matter his workmates?
Where is the crowdfunding page to contribute to helping him fight this "injustice"?

All we have had is a very iffy sounding tale from a relative in norway and a not exactly 100% convincing "he was always a good boy" from his mother.

Sometimes what you cannot hear speaks more loudly than anything audible ever could

We only have this from one workmate
Colleague Tadeusz Skibicki, 39, said: “When I heard the news it was a big shock.

“Pawel is a quiet, normal person. He has never been violent.”

Butcher quizzed by cops over disappearance of student Libby Squire

 

[LucyRocket]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yo...xposes-genitals-then-drives-off-1-8443870/amp

 

[Ched]

OMG. I woke up with this on my head ! What do you think ?

Put yourself in drunk Libby’s situation, why wouldn’t she go in her house when taxi drops her off ?
We thought possibly lost keys but think why else you wouldn’t go in ..... something scared her or didn’t feel right , is Libby’s house the bush one ? What if she went towards her front door and she saw something .... something like the door was slightly open , not enough to make her scream but enough to freak her out , she hurry’s away as fast as she can and stumbles a bit ( as seen by lads opposite ) (she might not have seen lads or thought they were the ones messing with her house) she’s trying to get away from house and goes to bench . She’s in a state , drunk , alone , no phone , no mates , she’s scared to go back to house etc , man stops as in a state but she doesn’t know what to say about house as it sounds odd that you just don’t think something is right .

To add to it to make this stronger , why was she a missing person so quickly, so very quickly ?
Friends get in from club realise their house has been broken into and Libby not there , they phone police straight away , so it’s not just a burglary but someone who should be there isn’t ...... maybe even the girls go in their bedrooms and drawers are open and vibrator gone or other pervert stuff . (Think how many times police get calls saying my drunk mate isn’t home and I can’t get hold of them ,they don’t start a police hunt that quick as most of them are sleeping over with someone they met )

Police find his finger prints DNA there , he’s burgled the house , Libby can’t be found , so charge for abduction !

 

[Zazie]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yo...xposes-genitals-then-drives-off-1-8443870/amp

Agree this description fits PR, with the exception of the car colour.

Edit: then again, grey = silver.

 

[Joolz1975]

I can't make my mind up about this I'm constantly thinking things and then deciding I'm being stupid.

I think it's got to be him and Libby in the Howarth st cctv it's too much of a coincidence for it not to be the timings match perfectly with her not been seen after 12.09.

But then this Beresford rd sighting at 12.05 has thrown my thinking off course has she crossed over and then come back to the bench?

I do 100% think the police know who is the cigarette roller guy, who is the cyclist and who is in the other car driving off. I feel like they would have released the footage themselves and asked them to come forward if they didn't.

The cyclist I feel is just an innocent passer by on his/her way from work that probably saw nothing anyway, we don't know which way they turned so may not have even noticed Libby or may have even lived in one of those houses on there at the end.

But then if they have footage of the car a short time later that times in with him dropping Libby at home how does that work??

If he's abducted her my mind saysthe easiest way is to get her in the car and just drive off and subdue her somewhere...but maybe he's more warped than that and thinks he will let her think she's home safe then attack her? Sounds like he likes to do his pervy things were people should feel safe (in their homes).

Maybe he acted the gentleman and walked her to her door then overpowered her and she's screamed and he's hit her to shut her up and put her back in the car.

Mind whirring.

I do think they have the right guy though and I think they know a lot more than we expect they do.

I do anticipate a breakthrough sooner rather than later.

 

[OrlandoJames]

OMG. I woke up with this on my head ! What do you think ?

Put yourself in drunk Libby’s situation, why wouldn’t she go in her house when taxi drops her off ?
We thought possibly lost keys but think why else you wouldn’t go in ..... something scared her or didn’t feel right , is Libby’s house the bush one ? What if she went towards her front door and she saw something .... something like the door was slightly open , not enough to make her scream but enough to freak her out , she hurry’s away as fast as she can and stumbles a bit ( as seen by lads opposite ) (she might not have seen lads or thought they were the ones messing with her house) she’s trying to get away from house and goes to bench . She’s in a state , drunk , alone , no phone , no mates , she’s scared to go back to house etc , man stops as in a state but she doesn’t know what to say about house as it sounds odd that you just don’t think something is right .

To add to it to make this stronger , why was she a missing person so quickly ?
Friends get in from club realise their house has been broken into and Libby not there , they phone police straight away , so it’s not just a burglary but someone who should be there isn’t ...... maybe even the girls go in their bedrooms and drawers are open and vibrator gone or other pervert stuff .

Police find his finger prints DNA there , he’s burgled the house , Libby can’t be found , so charge for abduction !

The students who lived across the road and witnessed Libby arriving home in the taxi said that she didn't approach the house - she just got out of the taxi and wandered down the road. So it's likely that she either knew she didn't have her keys or just decided that she didn't want to be alone at home. If there was suspicious activity going on in the house, the students across the road would probably have witnessed it too, but there has been no mention of this at all by the police.

 

[mrjitty]

So now for the waiting