Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #5 *ARREST*

[ScrutineerContraption]

With such a heavy focus on the playing fields, is it too unreasonable to presume she could have been dumped/fallen into the river Hull and carried out to sea? At that point there's little hope of finding a body and would explain why the police are focusing there but still have yet to find anything. Plus, if she didn't have her phone or keys on her, what else is there to find except a body? She must have been linked to the fields somehow for them to keep checking there no?

Bit of a morbid first comment but wanted to get other peoples thoughts.

 

[cherrytree9]

If we went together we leave together no matter what....

Yeah. I was going to say that I would never have sent a friend home by themselves anyways, especially if they didn't have their phone on them, but I don't want to sound like I'm blaming her friends because I'm really not. Even if a sober friend got a taxi home alone, we'd always check that they got home safely!

 

[Deufin]

Just a question...IF it was LS getting in the car AND she got in reasonably willingly...that’s not abduction is it? I agree the CCTV isn’t clear...sometimes when I watch it I think I can see a person getting in other times it looks like something else...& the police haven’t said it’s her.

What if she did leave the bench & has been seen on CCTV (as there a quite a few in the vicinity that would pick her up as other posters have referenced) heading towards her house. Let’s say she did make it home & that’s actually the scene of ‘crime’. Her Mum said she ‘was home...simple’ could be more weight to that than we think...the neighbour heard screams and a door banging so what if she was trying to get OUT of the house. She got home from the bench to find PR in her house up to his ‘weird tricks’ and panics and tries to flee. The police were seen checking the drains from/near to her house...perhaps a scent dog tracked her ‘scent’ to the park. The house could well have shown signs of a struggle and third party presence..could be why police arrested PR on suspicion of abduction as it looked like she’d been taken FROM her house..??

It can still be abduction even if you got into a vehicle willingly

 

[CoverMeCagney]

On spider cam I can clearly see someone getting into the passenger's seat of the car, and even reaching round to clip their belt in. Don't know if it's Libby, nor whose car it is

Web cam, surely!!

 

[flowerpot]

It can still be abduction even if you got into a vehicle willingly

Thanks Deufin, I wasn’t sure

 

[sf18]

Buddy system means that you never let friends wander off alone in the night when they are too drunk to drink, like never letting a buddy swim alone.

It doesn't really matter how drunk she appeared to friends,, or how drunk they were. It is a fact that they were sober enough to have another drink and she wasn't. That's a significant difference.

I agree

 

[LucyRocket]

My first post on Libby but have been following. When posters refer to her being on the bench, opposite a takeaway, can I ask which takeaway they are meaning please? It confuses me as I cannot see one.

It's set back in a walled area, so difficult to see

 

[sf18]

Yeah. I was going to say that I would never have sent a friend home by themselves anyways, especially if they didn't have their phone on them, but I don't want to sound like I'm blaming her friends because I'm really not. Even if a sober friend got a taxi home alone, we'd always check that they got home safely!

Same

 

[cherrytree9]

Buddy system means that you never let friends wander off alone in the night when they are too drunk to drink, like never letting a buddy swim alone.

It doesn't really matter how drunk she appeared to friends,, or how drunk they were. It is a fact that they were sober enough to have another drink and she wasn't. That's a significant difference.

Maybe I didn't understand your earlier question? I meant that if she appeared less drunk when she was with her friends than how she was on her street, they may have been less concerned about checking on her when they got home. And their actions once they got home might depend on how much they had to drink. Just considering factors that may have influenced when they contacted police. As I've said elsewhere I would have acted differently myself.

 

[flowerpot]

I wonder why police put flyers through his neighbours road though asking for any info but we have no reports of them putting flyers through Libby’s neighbours doors

That’s a good point...not sure?
I’m probably thinking too much about what kind of scene, if any, at her house could’ve triggered the urgency of the search. Probably need to stop the ‘wild’ theories in my mind!!

 

[Coach]

It can still be abduction even if you got into a vehicle willingly

I agree - she could have got in the car willingly believing that he was going to give her a lift home. Once in, he locks the doors and does not take her home - that could constitute abduction couldn't it? The Daily Record reported that she was reported missing in the early hours of Friday morning Police arrest 24-year-old man amid hunt for missing Hull student Libby Squire
Also, a number of days passed between her going missing and PR being arrested. He had time to think and plan before he was arrested.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

I know we don't know for certain what PR's sister said or meant but now I'm curious that when she said the crying girl asked him to take her home, did he mean her home or his?

 

[Miss_French]

Was 11:30 am when the actual police appealed rather than the friends called it in? If so the friends called it in a lot earlier than that

You're right.

Reported missing 'early hours' of Friday (this and several other news sites): https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject...isappearance-of-missing-libby-squire-11630319

Police appeal 11.30am Friday: Everything that happened on 5th day of search for missing Libby

 

[OrlandoJames]

I know we don't know for certain what PR's sister said or meant but now I'm curious that when she said the crying girl asked him to take her home, did he mean her home or his?

His sister said he had to put the girl's postcode into his sat nav, so her home, not his. Actually this doesn't really make much sense as Libby was sitting on a bench just a few minutes' walk from her house, and PR almost certainly knew the road anyway, but that appears to be what he told his wife or sister.

 

[Zazie]

Re screams, there are two separate reports from people in bed that I found had merged in my own mind - separated out below in case useful for anyone else (with apologies for repetition if not!)

Witness 1 @ 12.15
Home location not specified
“I woke at about quarter past 12 and there was a scream. It sounded like a woman’s scream towards the back of the park, where the river bank and pond is. Then 30 seconds later there was another scream. She must have screamed seven or eight times. All of the screams had gaps between them. The screams must have gone on for about 15 minutes. They sounded eerie, they sounded dark. Then I saw a male running."
Girl heard screaming in park just minutes after Libby Squire vanished

Witness 2 @ 12.30
Mother-of-two, Hull University graduate, dad is a retired policeman
Lives Heathcote St near junction with Wellesley Ave.
“We did hear screaming at 12.30 on Thursday night. I was just in bed reading. We do get a lot of students who live in the road that Libby lives in who use this road as a cut through. They go past screaming, shouting and singing. It’s not unusual. But this made us sit up. It sounded like someone being attacked. The scream sounded like it was coming from someone who was scared. It was someone walking quite close past our house. It was just one female scream. Then we heard other voices muttering very low, murmuring and then more screams and more male voices. Then we heard the slamming of a door. It sounded like a wooden door or a garden gate. It was just very odd. We didn’t think about it again until the police came round knocking on everybody’s doors on Saturday. We talked about it and remembered the scream and rang 101. It was really shrill and urgent. It made me sit up and think ‘Oh my God’."
Libby Squire's neighbour claims to have heard a woman’s "blood curdling" scream

 

[CoverMeCagney]

If we went together we leave together no matter what....

I'd be torn to be perfectly honest. Especially when I was 21 and invincible - way before I learned hard life lessons, heard about awful stories like this or joined Websleuths!

Big group night out, everyone's together and buzzing and going clubbing, and one person is so hammered they can't get in. Does one person go home and put the drunk one to bed and then sit around annoyed that the night got cut short? Or do they decide to put drunk mate in a cab, probably ask them to text when they're home, possibly give the taxi driver the address, feeling like they've taken the best, safest option?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[Amonet]

Just a question...IF it was LS getting in the car AND she got in reasonably willingly...that’s not abduction is it? I agree the CCTV isn’t clear...sometimes when I watch it I think I can see a person getting in other times it looks like something else...& the police haven’t said it’s her.

What if she did leave the bench & has been seen on CCTV (as there a quite a few in the vicinity that would pick her up as other posters have referenced) heading towards her house. Let’s say she did make it home & that’s actually the scene of ‘crime’. Her Mum said she ‘was home...simple’ could be more weight to that than we think...the neighbour heard screams and a door banging so what if she was trying to get OUT of the house. She got home from the bench to find PR in her house up to his ‘weird tricks’ and panics and tries to flee. The police were seen checking the drains from/near to her house...perhaps a scent dog tracked her ‘scent’ to the park. The house could well have shown signs of a struggle and third party presence..could be why police arrested PR on suspicion of abduction as it looked like she’d been taken FROM her house..??

I'm not sure of the technicalities of 'abduction' but I'd think that if Libby got into his car under the impression he was going to drive her home, then the moment he diverged from that route it could have become abduction. Perhaps, if he never had any intention of taking her home and got her into the vehicle under false pretenses then the abduction might have occurred the moment she got in, even though she felt she was getting in voluntarily?

 

[Steve0000]

If she has been murdered via strangulation, for example, there is likely no blood. Isn't it possible he sat (or kept) her in the passenger seat to avoid transfer of DNA to other parts of the car like the boot, and driven her out of Hull somewhere remote, possibly on his familiar route to Malton? There are ample woods all over the place, some not easily accessible by foot, that he's definitely sighted on his commute to and from work. Why do the police seem to have discounted his having travelled further afield than the park? Do they have more CCTV evidence of his car having still been local? Did his wife tell police he was home too soon to have gone far?

Usually people who do this operate in an area they are familiar with and all his past crimes he has been accused of confirm this to be true in his case too. The route between Hull and his work place would be very familiar to him and definitely part of the modus operandi of these types.

It's also the perfect alibi as to why he was on that route and you couldn't disprove something such as he forgot something at his work but then as he got close to it, he found it in his pocket such as his phone etc. to explain why he didn't re-enter his place of work. A random area at night in which he does not travel to would be a cause of much suspicion.

Humberside police must know a little more than they say to only concentrate on one area and must be pretty certain he did not leave the area as when they have profiled his crimes and patterns, his route from Hull to Malton and possible areas to hide a victim would be the next area of attention to focus on.

 

[LucyRocket]

Sorry to ask such a question but if a dead body had been in a car but no blood etc how long does it take police to find ‘traces’ in the car ?

It's different for all of us, depending on how much the bladder is holding at the time of death, but it's generally around 1 hour that the muscles have relaxed enough to release anything that they normally hold in. In some cases I've seen it happen almost instantly, or around 10 minutes

 

[Carlyjam]

Yeah. I was going to say that I would never have sent a friend home by themselves anyways, especially if they didn't have their phone on them, but I don't want to sound like I'm blaming her friends because I'm really not. Even if a sober friend got a taxi home alone, we'd always check that they got home safely!

I've got good friends who would make sure you were asleep under your blankets before they left you on a night out. Then again, at Uni I had random friends I'd drink with maybe acquaintances from lectures or my tutor group. Then it'd be see you tomorrow after pub/club without a look back to check how they were getting home. Would even separate from housemates if one wanted food and other didn't.

In a way, uni is just an extension of school with less rules and more fun. I think it gives you that feeling of safety as you're all there for the same reason.