Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #5 *ARREST*

[Griffinlay]

No way would they have been able to hold him for over 90 hours unless they had some evidence to put to him on the charges he was arrested for (abduction).

A magistrate extended the time they could keep him in custody on Saturday night by 24 hours still on the abduction charges.

They must have had suspicion of abduction to arrest him on those charges in the first place.

The tricky thing with “suspicion” is what does that mean in law. The police could arrest anyone on the suspicion of anything. In this case they would have told magistrate that witnesses had identified him as a flasher and that one of these offences took place yards from the home of a woman who is now missing and that they believe he was in the area on the night and at the time she went missing and wish to continue to question him. The magistrate would think that’s entirely reasonable as I do and I believe most people would.

 

[Hatfield]

Judging by the amount of evidence retrieved from the house and the fact that charges have been made, I think he must have been keeping the stolen items in their house, although I suppose it’s possible he kept them in an attic or some part of the accommodation his wife didn’t access. I feel so sorry for the kids too and for her (based on what we know) I can’t imagine trying to hold it all together for your kids at a time like this.

There has been quite a few MSM pictures of evidence bags being taken from what I assume has been his home. This link below contains one of them but not sure if that is his house the evidence bags are being taken away.

Point being is that it is probably taking LE some time to go through all the evidence they have taken from his home to see if they can tie anything to LS disappearance. Maybe they have already found something and just cannot find her yet.

I wish they would bring out more scent dogs in the park to help search. I havent seen many dogs being used in the park but maybe they have been doing that a lot and just no media pics of it happening.

Police arrest man, 24, over disappearance of Libby Squire, 21 | Daily Mail Online

 

[Ruki]

He was also said to be silent with no male friends - but there were always women in his life. On a photo of his new son he said he didn’t need anyone else except his family
Libby Squire latest – Hull butcher asked by the police over the student's disappearance as a car is dragged

I found his FB account odd too. As Betty44 said, there were lots of posts about sick babies and it seemed he was going to an obvious effort to portray himself as a concerned, compassionate family man. Just felt a bit off to me, there were no pictures or indications he had friends. Zero photos with guys his own age.

Only time will tell if it means anything.

 

[MancGuy Uk]

If abduction is the case here where is she??

 

[Zazie]

Can you charge someone with murder without there being a body? (Don't really want to Google this as not a great thing to pop up in one's search history!)

I had wondered if there's plenty pointing to him being involved eg two people go into park, one comes out - but because they've not found a body they can't charge him. Maybe his defence is, yes, he was with her but left her alone at the park bench. Grateful for any insight as not clear on what the law is about this.

 

[Joolz1975]

It's complex.

He would have probably been a bigger headache if he had been released.

Just think he's unlikely to screw up if he is inside.

We need him to do a Tabak and confess to someone while on remand (was it a priest or something).

I agree from an investigation point of view it would have been more useful if he was out.

But would imagine he would have strict conditions and may have been too wary to do anything to give any clues away ...unless his deviant side got the better of him.

 

[Strontium69]

I just googled Oak Rd Playing Field and a number of sites came up with information about the facilities. One of the sites says the car park is open dawn till dusk for up to 100 cars and it said there are changing rooms. Is this the building behind the car park? This is so close to L's house.

There are two main car entrances.

One is right at the top North end of the park on Beverley road itself, #1 on the map pic.

The second entrance is at the end of Beresford Avenue, you can follow it on Google maps.

They both have parking and changing rooms.

 

[Caroclaud]

Sorry, just catching up from today’s events so hope I’m not repeating previous comments but have to say that after watching the CCTV of LS outside the club, she doesn’t appear to be as inebriated and out of control as I was imagining her to be. I mean I thought she would hardly be able to stand up but she’s not that bad?

If this is a true reflection of her physical state, it makes me doubt whether she just fell by accident into the river.

 

[hitthenick]

Is it definitely a Megane? Do we have any car experts on here who could hang their hat on the make/ model of the Vauxhall taken from P’s house compared to the smoking guy’s car, the car that drives behind him from the dead end and the car seen travelling behind a police car on Newland Avenue (?) ? I know nothing about cars, but I’m reading lots of different opinions about car types, wheel rims and even number of doors.

Yes me, I have done this countless times now, I am exact on my previous car comparisons. I do it for a living

 

[Sera]

Not sure whether this has been discussed already - if it has I'm not aware, but after a conversation with someone IRL I'm now curious:

Hypothetically speaking, if it turns out that PR is actually completely innocent - nothing to do with Libby, not a thief nor a pervert - and the police find Libby alive and well, say she's just ran off somewhere and either isn't aware of the massive search for her or is scared to come home because of it etc. Would she be charged with anything if she failed to come forward and say she was actually alive and well, since PR and his entire family's life would basically be ruined?

It's not me that was asking this btw, a friend presented the possibility. I know the chances of PR being totally innocent of all charges and of Libby just running off are slim to none. I'm just curious.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

I can’t stop questioning P’s wife’s level of awareness that something untoward was going on with her husband. On a basic, practical level, they are working in a food factory, and have two young children. They are likely on minimum wage and living in modestly sized terrace house. P is alleged to have stolen a Kindle, a Playstation, a speaker, laptop, money... aside from the underwear, photograph (of who?!), condoms (why?!) and sex toys. Assuming that the non sexual items were taken for monetary value then he probably brought them home, maybe advertised them on Gumtree or sold through word of mouth. But no matter what way he went about it, it’s very likely that Mrs P would have at some point wondered where all the money/ expensive items were coming from. Also. How stupid/ brazen does he have to be to steal in his OWN street. Adrenaline junkie.

Who knows what it 's like between the two of them? He could be intimidating or even violent and he tells her to mind her own business about certain things.
Maybe he has a really boring hobby he uses for cover and she doesn't bother getting involved? The house was supposedly 4 beds, I've seen a photo of him at his computer in an attic room, the outside had a garden and different areas including raised decking. There are probably plenty of places he could hide a stash of stuff. Back in the days before the internet many men managed to hide dodgy videos and magazines from wives and girlfriends.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

CCTV shows last known movements of missing Libby Squire

Interesting take...no mention of “woman” being seen getting into/ being put into car and time of getting into taxi at Welly differs from other reports.

 

[Griffinlay]

These are now all confirmed times for that night

11:18 Libby refused entry at Welly
11:22 put in taxi
11:29 arrives Wellesley Avenue outside her home
11:40-45 on bench, talks to GreyBeard
11:49 car arrives Haworth Street
12:09 car leaves Haworth Street

I think I must have missed something. How do we know the car arrived in Haworth Street at 11.49?

 

[Atoz]

Not sure whether this has been discussed already - if it has I'm not aware, but after a conversation with someone IRL I'm now curious:

Hypothetically speaking, if it turns out that PR is actually completely innocent - nothing to do with Libby, not a thief nor a pervert - and the police find Libby alive and well, say she's just ran off somewhere and either isn't aware of the massive search for her or is scared to come home because of it etc. Would she be charged with anything if she failed to come forward and say she was actually alive and well, since PR and his entire family's life would basically be ruined?

It's not me that was asking this btw, a friend presented the possibility. I know the chances of PR being totally innocent of all charges and of Libby just running off are slim to none. I'm just curious.

It's not illegal to go missing. In fact the police have to respect the missing persons wishes and not inform family of their location if they do find them and that's their wishes.

 

[Joolz1975]

The tricky thing with “suspicion” is what does that mean in law. The police could arrest anyone on the suspicion of anything. In this case they would have told magistrate that witnesses had identified him as a flasher and that one of these offences took place yards from the home of a woman who is now missing and that they believe he was in the area on the night and at the time she went missing and wish to continue to question him. The magistrate would think that’s entirely reasonable as I do and I believe most people would.

He wasn't arrested for flashing though.

He was arrested on abduction which means they had to have suspicions of this charge before they arrested him.

Inclined to think the flashing and other things came into play later...Maybe when they took his fingerprints at the station and realised they matched fingerprints taken in relation to these other offences.

They may even have DNA if he's been masturbating in front of people.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Who knows what it 's like between the two of them? He could be intimidating or even violent and he tells her to mind her own business about certain things.
Maybe he has a really boring hobby he uses for cover and she doesn't bother getting involved? The house was supposedly 4 beds, I've seen a photo of him at his computer in an attic room, the outside had a garden and different areas including raised decking. There are probably plenty of places he could hide a stash of stuff. Back in the days before the internet many men managed to hide dodgy videos and magazines from wives and girlfriends.

I’m thinking more about the fact that the non-sexual items he was probably selling for money. That would be fairly difficult to hide I’d imagine without some serious lying.

 

[wtiger]

Watched a crime doc earlier (Collette Aram) and her murderer escalated from spying on girls to eventually rape and murder.

The killer in that case was not dissimilar to our guy here in a few respects.

He managed to construct two parallel worlds, neither of which ever came together.

Working husband and normal guy for 5 days per week
Dangerous pervert on the prowl for the other 2

And even when years later he was caught, it would seem that he had been able to switch off the perverted prowler persona and settle back into family life.

He had used a wild variety of creative storytelling to excuse his absences to his wife and family (even going so far as pretending to have cancer) to buy him some stalking time

I can see parallels here for sure but frustratingly as the days tick by...im beginning to feel more and more like water may feature here.

I was just wondering if that was me..and i suddenly found myself in hull...in my shorts and wellies...and i had finished my bout of spontaneous self stimulation...and suddenly found myself of the need to dispose of something.....
Every way i considered it...that thing i needed to dispose of..would be going into that river all day long.
Taking it home with me would be the furthest thing from my mind.

 

[Coach]

They have been concentrating on the park - it is so close to the river Hull, there's also the pond and the drain that runs along the back of the street L lives on. I read a post earlier on tonight where the poster said that he thinks she has gone (or put) into the river and I also think that this is very likely.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I think I must have missed something. How do we know the car arrived in Haworth Street at 11.49?

Because it was on camera for 20 minutes and left at 12:09 (per ITV report of CCTV)

 

[Sera]

It's not illegal to go missing. In fact the police have to respect the missing persons wishes and not inform family of their location if they do find them and that's their wishes.

I do already know that, but let's say that the missing person was aware that someone was being charged with their abduction and still not coming forward, would that be a crime? Would PR be able to sue her because of it?