Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #6 *ARREST*

[Joolz1975]

So if we are dubious about the 12:19 car being the same make and model as the 12:09 car from spider cctv and if we could account for any reason why 12:30ish screams /banging gate may not be relevant , the timeline would look so much neater ..... just my thoughts , how long would it take to drive from Haworth to the park ?

I'm wondering how accurate the timing of the screams was.

I'm inclined to think the screams from the park are much more relevant.

But reports of screams so near to Libbys house shouldn't be disregarded.

Wondering if the 12.15 screams near the park are LS running back towards home.

The PR has chased her and caught back up with her and that's when the screams near home fit in.

But I really think there would be many more witnesses if that was the case.

Ignore all that it's stupid.

 

[JosieJo]

JMO
I saw a tell tale "ring" around his leg where the biker type shorts ended just past his knee a little ways past the knee.

I also think slightly below knee

 

[Chester]

Channel 5 just tweeted it so I presumed something was on their program even if it’s yesterdays cctv

Wasn't questioning the timing of Channel 5 News Tweet just wanted to clarify for others that it's not new to this forum.

 

[Joolz1975]

I can't copy the post over because it was in the previous thread, but it was a query as to whether there could be an innocent explanation for spider web cam guy's actions. I think there absolutely could. For example this:

His girlfriend/ mum/ brother/ sister/ wife .... works in one of the establishments on the main road, they finish shift at 12, he parks up there where it's not too busy, away from the heavy traffic, and walks up to meet them from their shift to give them a lift home

Must admit that had crossed my mind also.

But then thought it's too coincidental with the timings and things.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Am I right in saying that we are in agreement now that the car taken from P’s house is not the one in the CCTV footage?

Therefore, we have Libby missing and the car we believe she got into at her time of disappearance missing? Possibly located in the same place?

Unless police already located P’s car from the CCTV at another location (park?) but have only seen the one removed from his house in the media, which could have been his wife’s?

 

[Zazie]

I'm wondering how accurate the timing of the screams was.
I'm inclined to think the screams from the park are much more relevant.
But reports of screams so near to Libbys house shouldn't be disregarded.
Wondering if the 12.15 screams near the park are LS running back towards home.
The PR has chased her and caught back up with her and that's when the screams near home fit in.
But I really think there would be many more witnesses if that was the case.
Ignore all that it's stupid.

Plus the complication that the Heathcote witness says there was more than one male voice!

No male witnesses in the street that night appear to have shared their story to the media, or been explicitly cleared by the police (apart from the two waiting for the taxi earlier) so perhaps Heathcote witness has heard perpetrator/s in their street.

 

[Curiousobserver]

I can't copy the post over because it was in the previous thread, but it was a query as to whether there could be an innocent explanation for spider web cam guy's actions. I think there absolutely could. For example this:

His girlfriend/ mum/ brother/ sister/ wife .... works in one of the establishments on the main road, they finish shift at 12, he parks up there where it's not too busy, away from the heavy traffic, and walks up to meet them from their shift to give them a lift home

Or he is a unlicensed taxi operator and picked up another random person and took them home.

 

[JosieJo]

There was a post above that mentioned about forensics in his car and if removed on cleaning ... if he has admitted she was in the car her DNA/forensics would be there anyway so possibly wouldn't help?

Reading the screams in park quotes again the person did feel they may have been moving ...it also suggests the man running was seen soon after the screams

I'm still leaning towards his step up from flashing could have been flashing to a person who couldn't get away

I think she has most likely ended up in water somewhere but torn between him harming her or she ran into difficulties

I think running would be difficult in a drunken state but possible

I did wonder about the logic of running into the park not away from it ..but again that would depend on the position of her attacker

If he harmed her physically himself he would literally have had to wait till she was unconscious and immediately roll her into water and run if running man him...that's very quick imo but again not impossible

Either are easily possible imo

 

[scootermuppet]

She's only talking because the media keeps calling her. She probably is genuinely struggling to comprehend what's happening, and can't believe what her son has been charged with - let alone what else he might have done. I feel sorry for her - she must be utterly confused and bewildered by it all.

I have to agree. As profiles of a victim and profile of the accused get built unfortunately the profile and probable inadvertent judgment builds of the families too. I don’t know any of them personally but I do live reasonably close to the area near the park. I have to constantly check myself against what the media presents regarding everybody involved. I’ve noticed however the profile of the accused has become credible without a lot of proof yet (and I’m sorry for saying it) but we have to ignore profiling of the victim. Obviously nobody wants to do that but PR is presented as a monster roaming the street (could well be!) but what do we really know factually about him. Please correct me, I’m open to it but figured it was worth mentioning?

 

[Quintet]

Am I right in saying that we are in agreement now that the car taken from P’s house is not the one in the CCTV footage?

Therefore, we have Libby missing and the car we believe she got into at her time of disappearance missing? Possibly located in the same place?

Unless police already located P’s car from the CCTV at another location (park?) but have only seen the one removed from his house in the media, which could have been his wife’s?

Am I right in saying that we are in agreement now that the car taken from P’s house is not the one in the CCTV footage?

Therefore, we have Libby missing and the car we believe she got into at her time of disappearance missing? Possibly located in the same place?

Unless police already located P’s car from the CCTV at another location (park?) but have only seen the one removed from his house in the media, which could have been his wife’s?

If that is the agreement, out of interest, how long would it take for a cyclist to stop and chat with a sobbing girl on a bench, then cycle down Haworth street at 12.01, drive to Raglan Street, jump in a silver Astra and drive to Beverley Road bench to give a lift to said girl? All whilst dressed suitably for on a bike, but, perhaps not for the weather. Within 20 mins?

 

[SJ16321]

Once again a case where screams were heard and people did nothing. I just don't understand some people. A scream in terror is absolutely clear and can't be mistaken for a scream of say kids messing about etc.

If I was woken by screams of terror (especially multiple screams) there's no way I'd roll over and go back to bed. I'd have a look and inform the police if I couldn't see anything. Maybe I'm being a bit unfair and I'm more alert to what these screams could mean from sites like this etc but I personally don't understand how you could ignore something like that.

 

[Happybunny86]

It's in the previous thread so I can't quote but the police may know self harm isn't relevant. In fact I think they do.
If they have seen Libby going into the park with some one and exiting alone for example. Well she hasnr disappeared due to anything related to self harm.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

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Am I right in saying that we are in agreement now that the car taken from P’s house is not the one in the CCTV footage?

No, I'm not in agreement with that (yet!), what have I missed? Why would we think that's not PR's car?

 

[Chester]

Once again a case where screams were heard and people did nothing. I just don't understand some people. A scream in terror is absolutely clear and can't be mistaken for a scream of say kids messing about etc.

If I was woken by screams of terror (especially multiple screams) there's no way I'd roll over and go back to bed. I'd have a look and inform the police if I couldn't see anything. Maybe I'm being a bit unfair and I'm more alert to what these screams could mean from sites like this etc but I personally don't understand how you could ignore something like that.

When it happens every night you might understand a little more.

This is a densely populated area with a lot of students living there. They don't keep normal hours and don't always consider the noise they make might bother others or be misinterpreted.

If you rang the Police every time something like that happened they would soon blacklist you and stop coming out.

 

[jessie]

Am I right in saying that we are in agreement now that the car taken from P’s house is not the one in the CCTV footage?

Therefore, we have Libby missing and the car we believe she got into at her time of disappearance missing? Possibly located in the same place?

Unless police already located P’s car from the CCTV at another location (park?) but have only seen the one removed from his house in the media, which could have been his wife’s?

I think this is a question @hitthenick or @TTWO can clarify. I believe it has been stated here that the cars are the same.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Once again a case where screams were heard and people did nothing. I just don't understand some people.

We don't know for sure that they did nothing. They might well have called the police and the police might well have sent a patrol out and seen nothing. We don't know either way whether it was reported at the time or whether the witness came forward on Friday once they'd heard about Libby being missing.

What we do know is that the police were searching the park and pond early on Saturday and the screaming is the only thing we know about that links those searches.

 

[Happybunny86]

The fact that they are now releasing more footage makes me think that they really need new leads. Before, I felt like LE were keeping information to themselves to protect the investigation.

They didn't release more footage, just photos. The press got hold of it from a business not related to the police enquiry and decided to release it

 

[SJ16321]

When it happens every night you might understand a little more.

This is a densely populated area with a lot of students living there. They don't keep normal hours and don't always consider the noise they make might bother others or be misinterpreted.

If you rang the Police every time something like that happened they would soon blacklist you and stop coming out.

I lived in a heavy student area for 4 years so I'm aware it can be noisy. However if you've ever heard someone scream in terror then it's very different to somebody screaming because they're off their face drunk and messing about.

 

[Happybunny86]

I can't copy the post over because it was in the previous thread, but it was a query as to whether there could be an innocent explanation for spider web cam guy's actions. I think there absolutely could. For example this:

His girlfriend/ mum/ brother/ sister/ wife .... works in one of the establishments on the main road, they finish shift at 12, he parks up there where it's not too busy, away from the heavy traffic, and walks up to meet them from their shift to give them a lift home

I agree. My father on law doesn't this most nights for his daughter working a night shift. I think this would be really common at this time of night in that area. It's not safe. Someone uses to do this for my housemate who worked in a hotel near by.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder...if she is eventually found in water, or having been in water, and cause of death is drowning...and if she was more or less as fully-clothed as would be expected after a long period of time in water,,,then what?

I feel like at least half the folks here would still think she was murdered and that someone escaped justice. But unless there was a (digital) eye witness or a confession, showing she had been chased until she fell into the river, would not be likely to result in a charge...jmo

Whereas if this was a male college student, ending up in water, with drowning verdict, I feel like it would be accepted a bit more readily, though never by all. Jmo of course.