Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #6 *ARREST*

[Miss_French]

There was a post above that mentioned about forensics in his car and if removed on cleaning ... if he has admitted she was in the car her DNA/forensics would be there anyway so possibly wouldn't help?

Reading the screams in park quotes again the person did feel they may have been moving ...it also suggests the man running was seen soon after the screams

I'm still leaning towards his step up from flashing could have been flashing to a person who couldn't get away

I think she has most likely ended up in water somewhere but torn between him harming her or she ran into difficulties

I think running would be difficult in a drunken state but possible

I did wonder about the logic of running into the park not away from it ..but again that would depend on the position of her attacker

If he harmed her physically himself he would literally have had to wait till she was unconscious and immediately roll her into water and run if running man him...that's very quick imo but again not impossible

Either are easily possible imo

It would depend what forensic evidence they found, and where. Clothing fibres, hair, fingerprints fair enough - but the latter only up to a point; they could be in places you wouldn't expect, if there was a struggle, and could have been missed when cleaning. It's difficult to explain away finding bodily fluids or blood.

 

[flowerpot]

There was a post above that mentioned about forensics in his car and if removed on cleaning ... if he has admitted she was in the car her DNA/forensics would be there anyway so possibly wouldn't help?

Reading the screams in park quotes again the person did feel they may have been moving ...it also suggests the man running was seen soon after the screams

I'm still leaning towards his step up from flashing could have been flashing to a person who couldn't get away

I think she has most likely ended up in water somewhere but torn between him harming her or she ran into difficulties

I think running would be difficult in a drunken state but possible

I did wonder about the logic of running into the park not away from it ..but again that would depend on the position of her attacker

If he harmed her physically himself he would literally have had to wait till she was unconscious and immediately roll her into water and run if running man him...that's very quick imo but again not impossible

Either are easily possible imo

Just thinking on your post about the sound of the screams being 'moving' and making some assumptions based on what has already been discussed and that it all happened in the same night i.e. he didn't need to return..what about...
1.) Libby is taken to the park in car (unwillingly), as I can't seem to fathom how she could be walked all the way from the bench without screaming first, knowing she was being forced. Unless she did scream around the area of Heathcote (but I think the timing of those screams heard may not fit the timeline, unless they were earlier than the person thought)??
2.) They go into the park and head to the bench - at this point a sexual advance is made (flashing or something more physical) Libby screams and tries to run away..'moving' screams heard
3.) He gives chase 'running' man seen? and she falls into the pond/river and quickly succumbs to cold water.. end of screams and he runs away in panic as what he was expecting to be 'a quick fumble' suddenly goes horribly wrong. this could account for the 'short' timeframe if correct?
4) OR knowing the park better than her (probably) he chases her towards the pond/river on purpose and she falls in and quickly succumbs to the cold water. End of screams and he runs away

All just my opinion. Could there be anything else?

 

[caravanserai]

Plus the complication that the Heathcote witness says there was more than one male voice!

No male witnesses in the street that night appear to have shared their story to the media, or been explicitly cleared by the police (apart from the two waiting for the taxi earlier) so perhaps Heathcote witness has heard perpetrator/s in their street.

Have the neighbours who say they saw her turn away from her house been cleared by police? Can you post a link?

 

[PaddyOreally?]

Those screams the witness heard must have been really loud. he said it sounded like it was coming from the pond which looks about 400 meters away from the nearest house. And that they woke him up.

So to be woken up by screams that far away through (probably) double glazed windows, they must have been really loud right?

Wonder which way the wind was blowing.

 

[Chester]

I lived in a heavy student area for 4 years so I'm aware it can be noisy. However if you've ever heard someone scream in terror then it's very different to somebody screaming because they're off their face drunk and messing about.

You may have missed the entire fox screaming conversation, January is peak breeding season.

Yes I've heard someone scream with a blood curdling scream, it was someone messing about.

I've also heard plenty of foxes and they sound exactly the same.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

I have to agree. As profiles of a victim and profile of the accused get built unfortunately the profile and probable inadvertent judgment builds of the families too. I don’t know any of them personally but I do live reasonably close to the area near the park. I have to constantly check myself against what the media presents regarding everybody involved. I’ve noticed however the profile of the accused has become credible without a lot of proof yet (and I’m sorry for saying it) but we have to ignore profiling of the victim. Obviously nobody wants to do that but PR is presented as a monster roaming the street (could well be!) but what do we really know factually about him. Please correct me, I’m open to it but figured it was worth mentioning?

Maybe people are judging him more harshly ( at least recently) because he has actually been charged with some seriously perverted crimes and as discussed, there must be some evidence for those charges. I agree though that judgements about his wife and family and the victim herself, are a bit much.

 

[aworldofmadness]

Those screams the witness heard must have been really loud. he said it sounded like it was coming from the pond which looks about 400 meters away from the nearest house. And that they woke him up.

So to be woken up by screams that far away through (probably) double glazed windows, they must have been really loud right?

Wonder which way the wind was blowing.

East. Apparently Past Weather in Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom — Yesterday or Further Back

 

[Deufin]

I can't copy the post over because it was in the previous thread, but it was a query as to whether there could be an innocent explanation for spider web cam guy's actions. I think there absolutely could. For example this:

His girlfriend/ mum/ brother/ sister/ wife .... works in one of the establishments on the main road, they finish shift at 12, he parks up there where it's not too busy, away from the heavy traffic, and walks up to meet them from their shift to give them a lift home

Why would he go round to the passenger side though? If you’re just giving someone a lift, you don’t do that. Unless the person you’re giving a lift to is incapitated in some way. Which we can assume wouldn’t be the case for someone he’s picking up from work.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Whereas if this was a male college student, ending up in water, with drowning verdict, I feel like it would be accepted a bit more readily, though never by all. Jmo of course.

I don't think I'd accept anyone accidentally falling into that water in the middle of the night. It's so out of the way, a dead end, nothing nearby, no bridge to cross, no reason whatsoever for anyone to have been there alone voluntarily.

If Libby was found in the drain channel I might think she toppled in drunk as it was nearby, but this place is not near anything in the area that a student would be passing.

 

[Chester]

Lol at someone on Twitter getting arsey with the Metro for saying that Libby was wearing a short skirt despite the weather.

Maybe they mentioned it because er... not many people would expect someone to be wearing a short skirt because it was so cold and er.. it was what she was wearing and they were looking for witnesses who saw her, so the description is kind of essential. But hey let's omit those details in case someone thinks it's judgemental and sexist. #FFS

 

[Quintet]

My partner opens the car door for me always, as did my father, so I don’t find that unusual.

 

[JosieJo]

It would depend what forensic evidence they found, and where. Clothing fibres, hair, fingerprints fair enough - but the latter only up to a point; they could be in places you wouldn't expect, if there was a struggle, and could have been missed when cleaning. It's difficult to explain away finding bodily fluids or blood.

Yes of course blood ..or forensics in car boot for example would be a different case altogether...was more thinking if she got out of car unharmed near the park

 

[caravanserai]

JMO
I saw a tell tale "ring" around his leg where the biker type shorts ended just past his knee a little ways past the knee.

I watched the spiderweb CCTV once more and now I believe I can make out short loose football shorts and socks that are pulled up just below the knee.

 

[JosieJo]

Why would he go round to the passenger side though? If you’re just giving someone a lift, you don’t do that. Unless the person you’re giving a lift to is incapitated in some way. Which we can assume wouldn’t be the case for someone he’s picking up from work.

I agree most people do not open doors for you when both getting in a car

 

[cheekychap]

I would think it would be possible to locate an approximate area of where the screams came from by doing some sound analysis.

I still find it unusual that only one neighbour heard these screams over such a long time and I believe they were not the closest to the area.

 

[jessie]

Why would he go round to the passenger side though? If you’re just giving someone a lift, you don’t do that. Unless the person you’re giving a lift to is incapitated in some way. Which we can assume wouldn’t be the case for someone he’s picking up from work.

Because it is a polite, good mannered, civil thing to do?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I would think it would be possible to locate an approximate area of where the screams came from by doing some sound analysis.

I still find it unusual that only one neighbour heard these screams over such a long time and I believe they were not the closest to the area.

Why do you think they weren't the closest to the area?

 

[Miss_French]

Just thinking on your post about the sound of the screams being 'moving' and making some assumptions based on what has already been discussed and that it all happened in the same night i.e. he didn't need to return..what about...
1.) Libby is taken to the park in car (unwillingly), as I can't seem to fathom how she could be walked all the way from the bench without screaming first, knowing she was being forced. Unless she did scream around the area of Heathcote (but I think the timing of those screams heard may not fit the timeline, unless they were earlier than the person thought)??
2.) They go into the park and head to the bench - at this point a sexual advance is made (flashing or something more physical) Libby screams and tries to run away..'moving' screams heard
3.) He gives chase 'running' man seen? and she falls into the pond/river and quickly succumbs to cold water.. end of screams and he runs away in panic as what he was expecting to be 'a quick fumble' suddenly goes horribly wrong. this could account for the 'short' timeframe if correct?
4) OR knowing the park better than her (probably) he chases her towards the pond/river on purpose and she falls in and quickly succumbs to the cold water. End of screams and he runs away

All just my opinion. Could there be anything else?

Your (1): JMO, the one thing going for the Heathcote screams timing is that the person was awake reading and had a light on. Maybe more reliable than someone being woken up, peering at clock, fumbling for light, thinking 'WTH? Did I actually hear that?' (Once I woke up from dozing on my sofa after a very vivid nightmare about being burgled while sleeping on my sofa. Sooo scared!).

(3) It was reported as screams being heard, then running man seen.

 

[hels__bells]

I would assume that the car in Haworth Street has to be PR's car and that at some point the police have been able to read the registration number, otherwise what else would have led them to arrest him in the first place?

 

[Strontium69]

I am struggling with whether police know exactly what they are doing by sticking only to the park or if they simply have no other leads and don’t know where else to search.

Normally, I credit LE with doing everything for very specific reasons, but after reading about the crime explosion in Hull over recent times and some opinions of the local police and their (lack of) effectiveness from locals...don’t know what to think.

Also...from what I gather with regards to UK law, unless new evidence is found, or a confession drops into their lap, PR cannot be hauled back in with reference to Libby’s disappearance. Correct me, any UK legal experts...

I'm heading in that direction of thought as well. They seemed so certain to find something - they seemed to be leaving with evidence bags from the undergrowth area on day one.

But for them to hacking away brambles - what are they looking for in there? Something that was thrown? I've not seen one single photo or hint of any DOGS being used in the park. If they were looking for a body wouldn't they be using dogs?

I am starting of the opinion that they are obsessing over the park because that is their last positive trace of Libby.

They are sure she went into the park but never came out?

If they think she was abducted and taken by car, surely they wouldn't be hacking deep into the undergrowth 2 weeks later?

It seems for them all trails go cold in that park.

Where are the dogs?