Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #8 *ARREST*

[Officer Dibble]

I would give an Eskimo a run for their money in the snowy and icy weather! There's a pub near where I live and when I see youngsters standing outside smoking in Tshirts and bare arms or mini skirts and bare legs I feel cold just looking at them.

Yes but that is dressed for a night out. That is different. I think.

 

[ly502]

Yes but that is dressed for a night out. That is different. I think.

Yes but that is dressed for a night out. That is different. I think.

I am not a big drinker, but there have been a few times that I have been inebriated enough that I really didn't care how cold it was, and I walked home in dangerous areas simply because I was too impatient to wait for public transportation. And I am the most cautious person I know! So, I do think that people out partying are different from others (like the people caught on camera). Although, there are some people who don't dress for the weather if they are exercising...so I don't really find it suspicious if a runner or biker appears underdressed...

 

[yoyo1]

They are probably just innocent bystanders the police want to rule out and get any useful info off.
Which takes me back to a point i made a while ago ; if you were PR you woudnt take Libby to a park inhabited by local youths in minus 5 degree temperatures. Assaults happen to women in parks , rather than women being taken to a public park to assault them.
Plus , if we assume the late night search of the bench was in response to PR citing that bench as the location he and Libby hung out together in the park , if PR is guilty he woudnt tell the police the truth , he woudnt direct the police to the scene of the crime , he would direct them somewhere that woudnt incriminate himself. The police would have checked and found nothing. Ergo PR didnt take Libby to the park.
Likely the police have a timeframe between when PR is seen picking Libby up in Haworth and then returning home , but beyond this the police are having difficulty determining what happened and where it happened.
Or PR is innocent.
Really the police need to find Libby as that would fill in a few gaps in the puzzle , im surprised they arnt doing more orchestrated searches.

 

[ly502]

I am not a big drinker, but there have been a few times that I have been inebriated enough that I really didn't care how cold it was, and I walked home in dangerous areas simply because I was too impatient to wait for public transportation. And I am the most cautious person I know! So, I do think that people out partying are different from others (like the people caught on camera). Although, there are some people who don't dress for the weather if they are exercising...so I don't really find it suspicious if a runner or biker appears underdressed...

which is why it would be nice to know more about the report of the man running from the park who wasn't dressed for the weather...was he running as an athlete or running as if away from something?

 

[ly502]

They are probably just innocent bystanders the police want to rule out and get any useful info off.
Which takes me back to a point i made a while ago ; if you were PR you woudnt take Libby to a park inhabited by local youths in minus 5 degree temperatures. Assaults happen to women in parks , rather than women being taken to a public park to assault them.
Plus , if we assume the late night search of the bench was in response to PR citing that bench as the location he and Libby hung out together in the park , if PR is guilty he woudnt tell the police the truth , he woudnt direct the police to the scene of the crime , he would direct them somewhere that woudnt incriminate himself. The police would have checked and found nothing. Ergo PR didnt take Libby to the park.
Likely the police have a timeframe between when PR is seen picking Libby up in Haworth and then returning home , but beyond this the police are having difficulty determining what happened and where it happened.
Or PR is innocent.
Really the police need to find Libby as that would fill in a few gaps in the puzzle , im surprised they arnt doing more orchestrated searches.

This is why so many of us have speculated that they know something that hasn't been released - the fact that the search area has been so limited and targeted. If they didn't know anything, wouldn't they start to branch out and away from the park?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

...would they be able to pinpoint the location as the park as opposed to a few blocks away?

I don't know how relevant or not this is, but...

My son recently got his first phone, today is the first time he's been away with it (visiting grandma) and I've just checked on "find my friends" and can see they are on a walk through the village and that they stopped at the shop. It's literally tracking his every move, I'm amazed that it's so accurate!

Shows that phones CAN be tracked with pinpoint accuracy and I'm wondering if location history can be retrieved.

 

[Zazie]

Out of curiosity, anyone know what that hellish looking derelict building with the graffiti used to be?

Not a local but I understand the buildings were connected with a rowing club called Kingston then once abandoned, became a trippy art zone in 2000 which explains the psychedelic paintings.

One Hull Of A Story: Paul Burwell & The Boathouse

According to the article it kept going as a performance art venue until 2012 then was gutted by fire in 2013 so actually in use till relatively recently. You'd never know to look at it!

(Edit: This reply is obviously about the buildings in the playing fields, you might be talking about another derelict building, I've just realised.)

 

[yoyo1]

This is why so many of us have speculated that they know something that hasn't been released - the fact that the search area has been so limited and targeted. If they didn't know anything, wouldn't they start to branch out and away from the park?

Well they seem to have searched near Libbys home in Wellesley , the allotments and the park , if they have a timeframe and a possible area dictated by cctv sightings then maybe they are just checking the logical options within this area rather than going on any firm insight.

 

[Ched]

It was animal remains Police reveal nature of 'suspicious package' after shutting cemetery

 

[Sairzz]

I read this today and wondered if it could be what Strontium came across? They have an online group page on a SM site and looks like the rocks are sometimes buried with glitter/ decorative things. Might explain the colourful petal type items? Why thousands of people are searching for colourful rocks in our region

The rock painting is very popular all over the UK, I have never know of people burying rocks, the point is for people to find them, post them then rehide them, they are hid but not burried,
it could have been a cache but I think someone checked up the geo cache locations and that wasn't one of them.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Thank you!

 

[mrjitty]

I don't know how relevant or not this is, but...

My son recently got his first phone, today is the first time he's been away with it (visiting grandma) and I've just checked on "find my friends" and can see they are on a walk through the village and that they stopped at the shop. It's literally tracking his every move, I'm amazed that it's so accurate!

Shows that phones CAN be tracked with pinpoint accuracy and I'm wondering if location history can be retrieved.

I have this for my girls. It is not 100% accurate but I can certainly tell what street they are on etc on their way home from school.

So at least for current purposes, if he had his phone with him, they might have been able to piece together approx locations via his GPS

the kind of GPS used for phones is basically calculated from the towers especially radio signal strength

think how accurate your google maps is

 

[Quintet]

Clearly, all of these people are out of the norm...I don't know anyone who goes out in the middle of the night when it is -5. I live in a very cold climate...the streets are empty during the day!

I have three daughters in their twenties and teens. Despite my nagging and pleading to wrap up, they still all go out very often with bare legs, no coats, as do their friends. My girls all own a pair of Vans that LS was wearing, they’re not suitable for rain nor snow, get drenched. Fashion and looking cool comes before warmth it seems. It is the norm for them!

 

[ly502]

Well they seem to have searched near Libbys home in Wellesley , the allotments and the park , if they have a timeframe and a possible area dictated by cctv sightings then maybe they are just checking the logical options within this area rather than going on any firm insight.

Agreed. And I am not local, nor do I know how large the park is, but when LE was searching in the park, locals were surprised at how LE was focusing on such a small area of the park and not other areas at all. And, I don't know how often this technique is used there, but someone here remarked that they were surprised that LE hadn't done a sort of grid search - where people stand in a straight line (linked) and comb certain areas in order to cover large areas very thoroughly. Although, I have also heard that a lot of the park has difficult vegetation to get through...

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Unless, as we suspect, they have some evidence putting P at that park, and the sister’s story about him giving “a crying girl” a lift is true, in which case he may have concocted some bench story in his defence

They are probably just innocent bystanders the police want to rule out and get any useful info off.
Which takes me back to a point i made a while ago ; if you were PR you woudnt take Libby to a park inhabited by local youths in minus 5 degree temperatures. Assaults happen to women in parks , rather than women being taken to a public park to assault them.
Plus , if we assume the late night search of the bench was in response to PR citing that bench as the location he and Libby hung out together in the park , if PR is guilty he woudnt tell the police the truth , he woudnt direct the police to the scene of the crime , he would direct them somewhere that woudnt incriminate himself. The police would have checked and found nothing. Ergo PR didnt take Libby to the park.
Likely the police have a timeframe between when PR is seen picking Libby up in Haworth and then returning home , but beyond this the police are having difficulty determining what happened and where it happened.
Or PR is innocent.
Really the police need to find Libby as that would fill in a few gaps in the puzzle , im surprised they arnt doing more orchestrated searches.

 

[Quintet]

I have this for my girls. It is not 100% accurate but I can certainly tell what street they are on etc on their way home from school.

So at least for current purposes, if he had his phone with him, they might have been able to piece together approx locations via his GPS

the kind of GPS used for phones is basically calculated from the towers especially radio signal strength

think how accurate your google maps is

I had wondered (if indeed it is PR in the Haworth St cctv) if when folks were saying he was rolling a cigarette, was he actually turning location off on his mobile and turning his phone off, in the hope he could not then be tracked via his phone. I also wondered whether the Police were able to detect when he turned it back on again ie 3am.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Agreed. And I am not local, nor do I know how large the park is, but when LE was searching in the park, locals were surprised at how LE was focusing on such a small area of the park and not other areas at all. And, I don't know how often this technique is used there, but someone here remarked that they were surprised that LE hadn't done a sort of grid search - where people stand in a straight line (linked) and comb certain areas in order to cover large areas very thoroughly. Although, I have also heard that a lot of the park has difficult vegetation to get through...

Yes, grid searching is definitely the norm here, and I'm surprised they haven't done it.

Going back to that night that CSI suddenly swooped on the park bench and took photos using evidence markers. That action must have been been a result of some sort of tip off, whether that was PR or a witness. It was very specific.

 

[Inspecthernightly]

there is a cctv camera overlooking mecca car park pointing towards clough road, also ive walked the full left of barmston drain today (apart from the odd bits you cant access) and not seen anything and anyway if LS was in the drain somewhere she would be caught downstream at the wincolmlee sluice gates eventualy which lead into the river hull plus we havent had any appreciable rain since LS dissapeared so cant see her getting that far downstream anyway. also had a look around oak park near the croda fence not far from the big pond and this I have no doubt this will have been investigated by LE, but theres a small brown three man tent pitched in the bushes with clothes and some sleeping bags in it and it looks like its someone, probably more than one personthat has been sleeping rough recently and if so was they in the park on that night screams were heard? just wondering.

 

[OrlandoJames]

I had wondered (if indeed it is PR in the Haworth St cctv) if when folks were saying he was rolling a cigarette, was he actually turning location off on his mobile and turning his phone off, in the hope he could not then be tracked via his phone. I also wondered whether the Police were able to detect when he turned it back on again ie 3am.

That would imply quite a high degree of planning. My sense is that PR's actions were instinctive and ad hoc rather than pre-planned, but at this stage it's impossible to say for certain.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

there is a cctv camera overlooking mecca car park pointing towards clough road, also ive walked the full left of barmston drain today (apart from the odd bits you cant access) and not seen anything and anyway if LS was in the drain somewhere she would be caught downstream at the wincolmlee sluice gates eventualy which lead into the river hull plus we havent had any appreciable rain since LS dissapeared so cant see her getting that far downstream anyway. also had a look around oak park near the croda fence not far from the big pond and this I have no doubt this will have been investigated by LE, but theres a small brown three man tent pitched in the bushes with clothes and some sleeping bags in it and it looks like its someone, probably more than one personthat has been sleeping rough recently and if so was they in the park on that night screams were heard? just wondering.

So, in your opinion if someone fell into Barmston drain could they have been swept away? And would they easily have been found? i.e is it deep enough to have got snagged underwater, out of view (didn't look very deep on the search photos)

Also interested in your view about the river Hull. A few locals have said it would be really hard to clamber out if you fell in (not to mention how freezing the water would have been that night), but do you think it's possible if Libby ended up in there she could have got as far as the sea? Consensus seems to be unlikely and I can't find any examples of people falling in that far upstream that weren't recovered.

Finally, the rough sleeper in the tent, have any other locals spotted this? Do you think it's worth mentioning to police?