Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #9 *ARREST*

[Sera]

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[Spy Versus Spy]

Is it possible that the police think/know that PR/Libby are on the Oak Road CCTV and they're just not letting on because it could jeopardise the investigation? Or is that a stretch and a half?

That's certainly possible I think,Sera.

If not, its unusual that theyve been lablled as witnesses imo,as it implies that there is something to be a witness TO?

One thing crossed my mind is that although its stated that the footage spans approx 1.35am-2.35am(?) and we see different people at diff times, do we have definite times attributed to each person/persons? Another member posted a Q if the footage is in chronological order but cant find it.

Also, if the order of clips IS chronological, its still not unrealistic to theorise that its LS + PR(?)/ A N Other in last clip and that the others are being sought as genuine witnesses to something that LE suspect/know happened AFTER the cctv, hoping that the others may still have been loitering in the area( the bike is esp hanging about back and forth...why not for another hour or two after also?)

Maybe we assume too much they are important for what theyve just seen, rather than what they may have seen later?

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

That's certainly possible I think,Sera.

If not, its unusual that theyve been lablled as witnesses imo,as it implies that there is something to be a witness TO?

One thing crossed my mind is that although its stated that the footage spans approx 1.35am-2.35am(?) and we see different people at diff times, do we have definite times attributed to each person/person? Another member posted a Q if the footage is in chronological order but cant find it.

Also, if the order of clips IS chronological, its still not unrealistic to theorise that its LS + PR(?)/ A N Other in last clip and that the others are being sought as genuine witnesses to something that LE suspect/know happened AFTER the cctv, hoping that the others may still have been loitering in the area( the bike is esp hanging about back and forth...why not for another hour or two after also?)

Maybe we assume too much they are important for what theyve just seen, rather than what they may have seen later?

Ps. Sorry for the long rambling posts today everyone. Just trying to train of thought it a bit

 

[Sera]

That's certainly possible I think,Sera.

If not, its unusual that theyve been lablled as witnesses imo,as it implies that there is something to be a witness TO?

One thing crossed my mind is that although its stated that the footage spans approx 1.35am-2.35am(?) and we see different people at diff times, do we have definite times attributed to each person/person? Another member posted a Q if the footage is in chronological order but cant find it.

Also, if the order of clips IS chronological, its still not unrealistic to theorise that its LS + PR(?)/ A N Other in last clip and that the others are being sought as genuine witnesses to something that LE suspect/know happened AFTER the cctv, hoping that the others may still have been loitering in the area( the bike is esp hanging about back and forth...why not for another hour or two after also?)

Maybe we assume too much they are important for what theyve just seen, rather than what they may have seen later?

I suppose that would explain the 3am thing - if those last people on CCTV were spotted at around 2:30am then they might have witnessed something AFTER the CCTV. All just thoughts and theories though.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

That's certainly possible I think,Sera.

If not, its unusual that theyve been lablled as witnesses imo,as it implies that there is something to be a witness TO?

One thing crossed my mind is that although its stated that the footage spans approx 1.35am-2.35am(?) and we see different people at diff times, do we have definite times attributed to each person/persons? Another member posted a Q if the footage is in chronological order but cant find it.

Also, if the order of clips IS chronological, its still not unrealistic to theorise that its LS + PR(?)/ A N Other in last clip and that the others are being sought as genuine witnesses to something that LE suspect/know happened AFTER the cctv, hoping that the others may still have been loitering in the area( the bike is esp hanging about back and forth...why not for another hour or two after also?)

Maybe we assume too much they are important for what theyve just seen, rather than what they may have seen later?

The timings seem to have been attributed to each here:

 

[sundaaaay]

I wonder did they check the CCTV at Welly much later in the night to see if she did somehow end up back around there to meet her friends. It does make sense to return to the place her friends were.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

The timings seem to have been attributed to each here:

Thanks Stella. Much clearer to me.

The description of person 1 is now in a hi-viz, not light tshirt? Have I missed when and why this changed? :8
ETA:
Also just realised that scootermuppet mentioned poss after cctv happenings much earlier

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I wonder did they check the CCTV at Welly much later in the night to see if she did somehow end up back around there to meet her friends. It does make sense to return to the place her friends were.

Yeah, i instantly questioned my own logic sundaaaay. So close to home if was at park, welly closing at 3am so friends home then. Why walk to welly just to get in a cab back home again?

 

[yoyo1]

Is it possible that the police think/know that PR/Libby are on the Oak Road CCTV and they're just not letting on because it could jeopardise the investigation? Or is that a stretch and a half?

Well the Humberside Police blurb says ; "The third clip shows two people, one who appears to be dressed all in dark clothing and the second in light coloured trousers and a dark coloured top walking along Oak Road at 2.34am."
So to be true it would either mean the police description was wrong or that someone had given her a change of clothes , unlikely , plus as far as i can see it dosnt look like Libby.
So overall id say no to that theory.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Thanks Stella. Much clearer to me.

The description of person 1 is now in a hi-viz, not light tshirt? Have I missed when and why this changed? :8
ETA:
Also just realised that scootermuppet mentioned poss after cctv happenings much earlier

I’ve only ever read the “light t-shirt” description in the LE press release and MSN. The high viz thing seemed to originate on SM (could be wrong!)

 

[cherrytree9]

Yeah, i instantly questioned my own logic sundaaaay. So close to home if was at park, welly closing at 3am so friends home then. Why walk to welly just to get in a cab back home again?

If she was actually locked out maybe she wanted to walk back instead of just standing there bored/possibly to warm up?

 

[Pinkizzy]

Yeah, i instantly questioned my own logic sundaaaay. So close to home if was at park, welly closing at 3am so friends home then. Why walk to welly just to get in a cab back home again?

She didn't have a key to enter her house, her friends had one tho

 

[Joolz1975]

She didn't have a key to enter her house, her friends had one tho

That hasn't been confirmed by the police.

 

[Joolz1975]

Just checked it doesn't look like LS it does like like a guy in light joggers.

 

[cherrytree9]

I wonder did they check the CCTV at Welly much later in the night to see if she did somehow end up back around there to meet her friends. It does make sense to return to the place her friends were.

Yeah, it would make sense to check anyway to verify her friends movements that night (I hope that doesn't sound accusatory, just that I suppose you'd want to check nobody followed her back to the house).

 

[anne1951]

Libby Squire search: Police hunt four possible witnesses seen on CCTV | Daily Mail Online

Libby Squire: police appeal to potential witnesses seen on CCTV

Does anyone know what time the suspect got home after picking LS up? I haven’t seen it reported anywhere and it would give a huge clue about how far he could have travelled.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Does anyone know what time the suspect got home after picking LS up? I haven’t seen it reported anywhere and it would give a huge clue about how far he could have travelled.

No, this hasn’t been reported

 

[Miss_French]

If not, its unusual that theyve been lablled as witnesses imo,as it implies that there is something to be a witness TO?

The Humberside Police site (and various news reports) describe them as possible/potential witnesses.

 

[Zazie]

I'm not up on police procedurals, but this case has made me appreciate what a tightrope the police have to walk. If they reassure the public, that is tantamount to saying PR'S our man, before they've even charged him or presented evidence to a jury. It also highlights to me how easily miscarriages of justice could have happened in the past - PR's involvement seems open and shut to many of us, and a hundred years ago he'd have been hanged already (Oscar Slater comes to mind). But the police don't have enough evidence to charge him (yet) and if they never do find it, we need to accept he's innocent, albeit the unluckiest man in Hull. I agree with the poster who said that, for us, this is like trying to solve a jigsaw with a third of the pieces.

Not sure why I'm so obsessed and invested in this case. I hate to say it but I suspect it's because Libby looks and seems like a "good girl". And if this can happen to a good girl it could happen to anyone.

(The crime author Denise Mina is very good on the necessity of managing the victim's persona not only in the public perception but the police working on the case, to maintain sympathy and interest.)

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I’ve only ever read the “light t-shirt” description in the LE press release and MSN. The high viz thing seemed to originate on SM (could be wrong!)

21 days of searching for Libby: Everything that has happened

It was on here Stella. If you scroll down a way to the narrative timeline for 19/20 Feb, it appears under the video/photo caption?