Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #9 *ARREST*

[Joolz1975]

Im still not totally sure he did it. Psychologically its easier to understand killers like Sutcliffe who are apparently motivated by a hatred of women.
But PR, while i can see he was confident and easy at the relatively low level of offences he was committing , i dont see the obvious psychological motivation to murder , it could have been an accident or simply a pragmatic choice in the circumstances he found himself in, a choice that he, given his assumed disfunctional mental state , was psychologicaly equipped to undertake and adapt to. Or maybe, in the way people of a certain mentality (psychopaths if you like) get an enjoyment out of torturing and inflicting pain on dumb animals, PR always had it in him and escalated from observing and stealing to hands on and murder.
That said , lots of people have psychopathic tendencies and dont kill , they are savvy enough to consider the consequences and are deterred , so its quite bizaare why PR would totally screw his life up like this. It dosnt logically make sense to me , i cant understand it. It would make more sense if he hadnt made it so easy for the police to trace him but he did it on cctv.
I mean whats his motive for murder ?

I don't think he set out to murder that night.

If he is guilty of the public penis flashing and the stealing of sex toys then I think he has simply got bored of these crimes and decided to step it up a bit.

There could be other crimes/assaults that he may be charged with yet too.

But it's not a big stretch to me that he has simply escalated from his flashing etc... to wanting to carry out an assault on someone and it went too far.

But I doubt his ultimate aim when he went out that night was to murder...think he would have built up to that eventually though.

All just my own opinion of course.

 

[yoyo1]

Leaving thing at scenes. Like, erm, deposits?

I think hes reputed to have left a used J-bag on one victims pillow , which is a akin to an assault in my understanding.

 

[Joolz1975]

I'm not aware of the washing of his car on Friday morning in minus 5 weather. Is there a link?

Rumour I think, and it wasn't washing his car it was 'cleaning out his car.

 

[Officer Dibble]

sex toys aren't usually even in student house.

Strange comment. It's very common thing for young people these days.

 

[Joolz1975]

Leaving thing at scenes. Like, erm, deposits?

Of the nobular kind

 

[BrianJohnson]

Agree, I doubt murder was his intention but I am certain he set out that night with the intention of raping a girl and that it went wrong and resulted in Libby’s death, whereas Sutcliffe and Bellfield and Halliwell etc set out with the intention of murder

 

[Quintet]

According to the Stage Coach app, there are 8 buses from 22:51 until 23:56. No late night buses. There isn't another one until 4:39 Friday morning.

EYMS Service 106. Must only run on Saturdays then! Well, I don’t think LS was too drunk not to know what day it was, so that theory is out of the window then!

 

[Joolz1975]

Agree, I doubt murder was his intention but I am certain he set out that night with the intention of raping a girl and that it went wrong and resulted in Libby’s death, whereas Sutcliffe and Bellfield and Halliwell etc set out with the intention of murder

I wouldn't argue with that to be honest, think your spot on.

 

[BrianJohnson]

I am not convinced the park/river are where police should be looking though, i think the real location of the attack is a lot closer to home, round the back of Libby’s house

There were reports of a loud scream from the back of the houses and a noise of a gate banging, I think that area is far more likely than the park

I believe that PR probably took her home, and that she got home and realised she had no keys so went round the back of the property and PR then followed her and pounced or PR told her he would break into the house for her (he would know how to) and they both went round the back and he attacked her by the gate to Libby’s

Much quieter, less chance of being disturbed, whereas the park would have people around given it was a dogging area and you would have druggies and chavs hanging around

 

[TheCasual]

Another thing I'd like to ask.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of information in the public domain.

Is this normal with missing person cases?

 

[Joolz1975]

I am not convinced the park/river are where police should be looking though, i think the real location of the attack is a lot closer to home, round the back of Libby’s house

There were reports of a loud scream from the back of the houses and a noise of a gate banging, I think that area is far more likely than the park

I believe that PR probably took her home, and that she got home and realised she had no keys so went round the back of the property and PR then followed her and pounced or PR told her he would break into the house for her (he would know how to) and they both went round the back and he attacked her by the gate to Libby’s

Much quieter, less chance of being disturbed, whereas the park would have people around given it was a dogging area and you would have druggies and chavs hanging around

Could he have parked around the back of her house??

I think that scream and the gate slam is more likely than the park screams which I still think of foxes (don't want to start that debate again)

But then there is the guy not dressed for the weather running off too.

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Yes but he was also charged with a previous burglary where he just stole vibrators. Electrical equipment is lying around sex toys aren't usually even in student house. And photos take time to remove from walls and notice boards. And underwear? They have no resale value and I doubt his wife would be Keen on second hand sex toys. Why waste time taking them

I very much doubt he is taking underwear for its resale value. I also doubt that he was intending on giving the vibrators to his wife. If charges are to be believed, he is a sexual deviant. I wouldn’t say vibrators aren’t found in student housing - they definitely are. Photos can be anywhere, not just on walls or noticeboards - could even be in underwear drawers. The first set of electrical equipment and £25 cash that he stole was just before Christmas and I would guess there is a chance that these were for monetary value. He is in a fairly low paid job and had just had a second child.

 

[Joolz1975]

Another thing I'd like to ask.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of information in the public domain.

Is this normal with missing person cases?

Depends on the case.

Police will only release what they want us to know or need help with.

When Christopher Halliwell was under investigation (but before they arrested him). The police leaked false information in the hope it would panic him and lead them to his victim (Sian O'Callaghan) they had him under surveillance (12 car team I think followed his every move) it had the opposite effect though as he was seen buying enough painkillers to overdose and they had to arrest him.

He did take them to her body after arrest though.

If you've not read up on that case it's fascinating and obviously devastating.

The detective on that case (Steve Fulcher) deserved a medal IMO.

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

Is there the tiniest possibility he may rent an allotment? He has been living there a few years now ?

Would the police have checked this out or he could have an accomplice who has one? I don't think whoever did this was working alone.

If this was a totally opportunist come on / attack which had gone wrong I cannot see how not one shred of evidence has been found. If however it had been planned to do this one day and the opportunity arose that night there would have been more background planning going on and the person in question would have had a place in mind of where to hide someone or who to call to assist.

 

[motherofdaughters]

Depends on the case.

Police will only release what they want us to know or need help with.

When Christopher Halliwell was under investigation (but before they arrested him). The police leaked false information in the hope it would panic him and lead them to his victim (Sian O'Callaghan) they had him under surveillance (12 car team I think followed his every move) it had the opposite effect though as he was seen buying enough painkillers to overdose and they had to arrest him.

He did take them to her body after arrest though.

If you've not read up on that case it's fascinating and obviously devastating.

The detective on that case (Steve Fulcher) deserved a medal IMO.

Off topic but do you know if there’s a doccu on this? I’ve googled and can only find a book.

 

[Joolz1975]

Off topic but do you know if there’s a doccu on this? I’ve googled and can only find a book.

There is a documentary yes it's on YouTube.

Google Steve Fulcher documentary and you should find it, the one I watched was very good quality.

It's part of the ITV crime series, Trevor McDonald presented it.

I followed that case really closely so the documentary had no surprises really but was fascinating all the same.

Edited...

Here is the link

 

[jessie]

Off topic but do you know if there’s a doccu on this? I’ve googled and can only find a book.

We have threads on WS actually. Try putting his name into the search bar here - warning - it goes back years..

 

[Joolz1975]

We have threads on WS actually. Try putting his name into the search bar here - warning - it goes back years..

This was the case out of any other I've ever heard of that got to me the most.

Still does.

 

[jessie]

This was the case out of any other I've ever heard of that got to me the most.

Still does.

O/T but Fulcher's name has come up again here: Field searched in possible 2002 murder link

 

[Joolz1975]

O/T but Fulcher's name has come up again here: Field searched in possible 2002 murder link

Thanks Jessie.

I think Helliwell was responsible for many more, wonder if we well ever really know.