GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #26

[Jarvis1969]

Just to clarify the sentence you quoted.

When someone is charged with murder, they are (almost always) remanded in custody, so they are spending the time before the trial in prison. If they are found guilty, the time spent on remand is deducted from the sentence.

In this case, the defendant was technically on remand, but already in prison serving a sentence for another offence. So the time on remand cannot be deducted because it is also time served for a separate sentence.

Great. Thanks for explaining that - heres hoping he gets a lengthy sentence

 

[Jarvis1969]

No he will serve the 30, if that is what he is given. The 5 he has left on his other crimes will run concurrently alongside this new sentence ( unfortunately )

Normally, when an accused person has been held on remand and then comes to trial, if he or she is found guilty and given - say - 30 years, the time that they have already spent on remand ( which can be up to a year ) will be deducted from the sentence of 30 years.

In this killer's case, because he is already a convicted criminal and serving an actual sentence in prison, there is no reduction for time on remand.

Thank you for explaining

 

[Cherwell]

Let's all remember that the sentence will be LIFE IMPRISONMENT.
There will be a minimum tariff set which is the minimum time he must serve before he is allowed to apply for parole.
There is no guarantee that parole will be granted if applied for.
And if he is ever granted parole, any offence he commits will mean he goes back to prison.

 

[Newthoughts]

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That's the awful impact of people like him - the number of people whose lives they ruin.

Stole a young woman's life. All her dreams gone. Her last moments on this earth must have been terrifying.

And her family and loved ones will have years of grief if they ever get over it. Must be every parents worse nightmare.

Then to sit thru this case.

But there is also his family. Even tho they're not guilty at all - I bet some of them feel it. And all they will have to go thru that. And his wife and kids

And then all the people that tried to help Libby that night - all left wondering if they should have done more. Didn't the prosecution say SA choked up when giving his evidence.

And I'd be willing to bet that the only guilty person in all of this is only thinking about himself. No matter what happens in prison it'll be nothing compared to all the suffering he caused Libby and the suffering he's left behind.

 

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[Jarvis1969]

He certainly doesnt appear to have shown any remorse at all. Im still certain that there will be more to come out about him. Terribly sad that one person’s actions have resulted in all of this heartache for both families but more so Libby’s family. His poor wee children as well knowing their Father is a convicted rapists and murderer as well as his other previous convictions

 

[Ktboo]

Let's all remember that the sentence will be LIFE IMPRISONMENT.
There will be a minimum tariff set which is the minimum time he must serve before he is allowed to apply for parole.
There is no guarantee that parole will be granted if applied for.
And if he is ever granted parole, any offence he commits will mean he goes back to prison.

Well said. Plus, if he does get let out on Parole he is subjected to licence conditions for the rest of his life.

 

[Newthoughts]

Something is worrying me. I've just checked - murder is life but as far as I can see the shortest minimum tariff is 15 years range 15 - 30 years.

Can I clarify that's when he can first apply for parole regardless of good behaviour. Even if yes - that's not long if he decides to be a model prisoner.

I've now understood what the defence meant by mentioning vulnerability only being counted once and for the rape! Surely if s victim is vulnerable that counts for both crimes. They don't stop being vulnerable between rape and murder surely?

 

[Kaykedi]

Hopefully the sentencing will be announced in 5 minutes

 

[C.greek]

Could please someone clarify: would he certainly get out of prison when he is 50-55?

 

[jamjim]

@sophcorcoran

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@sophcorcoran

Sentencing about to start

 

[Alyce]

Something is worrying me. I've just checked - murder is life but as far as I can see the shortest minimum tariff is 15 years range 15 - 30 years.

Can I clarify that's when he can first apply for parole regardless of good behaviour. Even if yes - that's not long if he decides to be a model prisoner.

I've now understood what the defence meant by mentioning vulnerability only being counted once and for the rape! Surely if s victim is vulnerable that counts for both crimes. They don't stop being vulnerable between rape and murder surely?

Yes, minimum is the least amount he will have to do. Even if he is the best ever person inside.

I am hopeful the figure will rise significantly above 15.

 

[jamjim]

13:58
Jury back in

The jury are now in court and the sentencing of Pawel Relowicz should resume shortly.

Pawel Relowicz sentenced for Libby Squire rape and murder - updates

 

[Alyce]

13:58
Jury back in

The jury are now in court and the sentencing of Pawel Relowicz should resume shortly.

Pawel Relowicz sentenced for Libby Squire rape and murder - updates

I wonder if all the Jury have come back

 

[Cherwell]

Could please someone clarify: would he certainly get out of prison when he is 50-55?

No. He has to apply for parole. It isn't automatically granted. It depends on whether the parole board decides he would still be a danger to the public.

 

[Joolz1975]

Could please someone clarify: would he certainly get out of prison when he is 50-55?

If the parole board think he is still a danger then he might never get out.

 

[Ktboo]

Something is worrying me. I've just checked - murder is life but as far as I can see the shortest minimum tariff is 15 years range 15 - 30 years.

Can I clarify that's when he can first apply for parole regardless of good behaviour. Even if yes - that's not long if he decides to be a model prisoner.

I've now understood what the defence meant by mentioning vulnerability only being counted once and for the rape! Surely if s victim is vulnerable that counts for both crimes. They don't stop being vulnerable between rape and murder surely?

Yes, he can apply for Parole regardless once his minimum tariff is up. He is unlikely to be successful at his Parole hearing if he has a record of poor behaviour in prison. Further, he will need to have engaged in intervention work for there to be a chance that his parole will be successful. A psychologist and a Probation Officer can put cases forward to recommend release or not. But ultimately it is the panels decision as to whether they think the individual has been sufficiently rehabilitated and can be managed successfully in the community on licence

 

[Kaykedi]

The jury are back from lunch

 

[mrazda71]

If the parole board think he is still a danger then he might never get out.

When we were experiencing our own 'PR' a 25 year old woman was raped near our home - her 18 year old attacker was eventually caught and sentenced to just over 2 years in youth detention - 12 years later, he is still not free. I check the law pages often to see that he's still (thankfully) locked away.

 

[Sarahjo]

The jury are back from lunch

Why are the jury there? I thought the judge decides on the sentence?