Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #10 *ARREST*

[Newthoughts]

I have a question I’m not sure has been asked, why did they start searching so quickly (before the usual 24 hours?) I initially thought because LS was high risk but now I’m not sure of the police thinking from the start. They asked for help finding grey beard and stressed he wasn’t a suspect, how did they know he wasn’t a suspect at that point before even finding him? Is it possible they knew she may have been kidnapped/taken from the beginning? Or would that just be a general precaution they took with the case?

Edit to add link Search to find man seen helping missing Libby Squire, 21

I always thought stressing someone wasn't a suspect was to get them to come forward and that they might become a suspect. Tho grey beard clearly isn't and had been very helpful

In addition to the cold and her intoxication there would also have been the dodgy crimes of flashing and knicker nicking that PRs subsequently been charged with. I got the impression after his arrest that there were more than he's been charged with. Lots sound quite recent.

One of those was masturbating in the road where she lived which was week or so before. The theft of knickers, photos and sex toys was days before. If police had evidence linking those which is likely that would trigger asditional concerns for her welfare as well

 

[Winterbells]

I'm confused by this map. Why is (1) 'Mystery motorist seen helping Libby' nowhere near the (2) bench?

Libby Squire suspect's shocked mum 'speechless' after Hull cops charge him with voyeurism and indecency - but NOT abduction - Big World Tale

(edited to say, a) sorry map is so huge when you click it and b) whoever produced this, clearly doesn't know where the bench is?

 

[Joolz1975]

I'm confused by this map. Why is (1) 'Mystery motorist seen helping Libby' nowhere near the (2) bench?

Libby Squire suspect's shocked mum 'speechless' after Hull cops charge him with voyeurism and indecency - but NOT abduction - Big World Tale

(edited to say, a) sorry map is so huge when you click it and b) whoever produced this, clearly doesn't know where the bench is?

We don't know Libby was near the bench when grey beard helped her.

All it said on the police appeal was on Beverley Rd near to Beresford av.

Any reports that say different to the police appeal are probably not accurate therefore not even worth worrying about.

 

[Sammie1970]

I always thought stressing someone wasn't a suspect was to get them to come forward and that they might become a suspect. Tho grey beard clearly isn't and had been very helpful

In addition to the cold and her intoxication there would also have been the dodgy crimes of flashing and knicker nicking that PRs subsequently been charged with. I got the impression after his arrest that there were more than he's been charged with. Lots sound quite recent.

One of those was masturbating in the road where she lived which was week or so before. The theft of knickers, photos and sex toys was days before. If police had evidence linking those which is likely that would trigger asditional concerns for her welfare as well

Yep the very helpful comment made me think perhaps she told him she was ok and waiting for someone (friends NOT PR). He is clearly someone who doesn’t care who sees him and took the opportunity to home in after he saw her maybe chatting to grey beard.

 

[Newthoughts]

We don't know Libby was near the bench when grey beard helped her.

All it said on the police appeal was on Beverley Rd near to Beresford av.

Any reports that say different to the police appeal are probably not accurate therefore not even worth worrying about.

The timeline I got from page 1 of this thread suggests 11.40 to 11.45 caught on CCTV on bench. Grey beard seen stopping to help.

11.49 possible PR car arrives Haworth as per ITV statement.

12.05 returns with someone / something

12.09 Libby has left bench.

12.49 car on newlands avenue as per sun

12.15 - 12.30 screams in park

12.30 screams in heathcote

Is this still correct / accurate?

I'd assumed the bench was the one the round the corner from Haworth.

Could Libby have gotten from place where park screams were heard to place where heathcote screams heard in that 12.15 to 12.30 timeframe?

 

[martenwearer]

I have another theory. I was reading through old articles and saw her mum had quoted "She got out of the taxi at her house. She was home..simple." (Mum of missing Libby says her daughter got home before she vanished)

What if she had returned home, to find PR in her house in the middle of burglaring/committing acts in her home, she ran out the house in a panic, screamed, as she ran out maybe from the back door which was heard (would explain witness statements) and the grey bearded man saw her in distress? (does anyone know if the grey bearded man saw her on the bench or on the corner of a road?)

Then PR realised he needs to do something before she calls the police? Then goes and finds her, which is the spiderweb cctv. Maybe the 'bag' he puts in his car is of her possessions/underwear he may have stolen.

 

[motherofdaughters]

I always thought stressing someone wasn't a suspect was to get them to come forward and that they might become a suspect. Tho grey beard clearly isn't and had been very helpful

In addition to the cold and her intoxication there would also have been the dodgy crimes of flashing and knicker nicking that PRs subsequently been charged with. I got the impression after his arrest that there were more than he's been charged with. Lots sound quite recent.

One of those was masturbating in the road where she lived which was week or so before. The theft of knickers, photos and sex toys was days before. If police had evidence linking those which is likely that would trigger asditional concerns for her welfare as well

I don’t think they knew she lived there from the off. There were early media reports of her living on campus.

 

[motherofdaughters]

I have another theory. I was reading through old articles and saw her mum had quoted "She got out of the taxi at her house. She was home..simple." (Mum of missing Libby says her daughter got home before she vanished)

What if she had returned home, to find PR in her house in the middle of burglaring/committing acts in her home, she ran out the house in a panic, screamed, as she ran out maybe from the back door which was heard (would explain witness statements) and the grey bearded man saw her in distress? (does anyone know if the grey bearded man saw her on the bench or on the corner of a road?)

Then PR realised he needs to do something before she calls the police? Then goes and finds her, which is the spiderweb cctv. Maybe the 'bag' he puts in his car is of her possessions/underwear he may have stolen.

I think it’s being said that she didn’t e yet her house.

 

[Newthoughts]

I don’t think they knew she lived there from the off. There were early media reports of her living on campus.

The police surelyswould have known she lived there and they would have known about the masturbation event in that road

 

[VicBlazey]

I have another theory. I was reading through old articles and saw her mum had quoted "She got out of the taxi at her house. She was home..simple." (Mum of missing Libby says her daughter got home before she vanished)

What if she had returned home, to find PR in her house in the middle of burglaring/committing acts in her home, she ran out the house in a panic, screamed, as she ran out maybe from the back door which was heard (would explain witness statements) and the grey bearded man saw her in distress? (does anyone know if the grey bearded man saw her on the bench or on the corner of a road?)

Then PR realised he needs to do something before she calls the police? Then goes and finds her, which is the spiderweb cctv. Maybe the 'bag' he puts in his car is of her possessions/underwear he may have stolen.

The guys who live across the road from her said she didn’t actually go to her door but started walking away from her house, never actually went inside IIRC

 

[Cherwell]

The guys who live across the road from her said she didn’t actually go to her door but started walking away from her house, never actually went inside IIRC

Also the taxi driver would be a witness to her not going to the door.

 

[martenwearer]

I think it’s being said that she didn’t e yet her house.

The guys who live across the road from her said she didn’t actually go to her door but started walking away from her house, never actually went inside IIRC

She may not have entered because she could've seen someone inside or trying to get inside

 

[martenwearer]

Also the taxi driver would be a witness to her not going to the door.

Has the taxi driver said anything?

 

[motherofdaughters]

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[Newthoughts]

I have another theory. I was reading through old articles and saw her mum had quoted "She got out of the taxi at her house. She was home..simple." (Mum of missing Libby says her daughter got home before she vanished)

What if she had returned home, to find PR in her house in the middle of burglaring/committing acts in her home, she ran out the house in a panic, screamed, as she ran out maybe from the back door which was heard (would explain witness statements) and the grey bearded man saw her in distress? (does anyone know if the grey bearded man saw her on the bench or on the corner of a road?)

Then PR realised he needs to do something before she calls the police? Then goes and finds her, which is the spiderweb cctv. Maybe the 'bag' he puts in his car is of her possessions/underwear he may have stolen.

I think witnesses - students and possibly taxi drivers saw that she definitely didn't go in to her house and they spoke to hey and she was incoherent and then stumbled away from her house. Someone that is supporting her parents said they believed she hadn't got a key. I think that is the most logical explanation.

 

[Joolz1975]

Anyone seen a groundhog?

 

[Sera]

'Girl Gang' Facebook group set up to help keep women safe

A small ray of positivity in this giant storm of awfulness.

 

[Offaly]

Also the taxi driver would be a witness to her not going to the door.

If the taxi driver was paid to take Libby home as she was too drunk for the club and he cud see how drunk she was, falling etc, I'm surprised he didn't hang around to make sure she got into her house. Did he see her walking away from her house, if so why did he not ask her where she was going etc. If she had no key he cud have maybe taken her back to Welly instead of leaving her to stumble along the road alone when his remit was to take her home.

 

[Joolz1975]

'Girl Gang' Facebook group set up to help keep women safe

A small ray of positivity in this giant storm of awfulness.

This is a great idea!!

All universities should encourage students to do this!

 

[Sammie1970]

Has the taxi driver said anything?

I don’t think the case allows anyone to speak as it proceeds because I haven’t seen anyone speak since PR was arrested apart from Libby’s mum via police. That’s how I have read it but someone may think differently.