Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #10 *ARREST*

[Joolz1975]

Don't think so as the spider cam was very specifically stated was 12:09am. I guess it could mean that footage was useless to Police so "allowed" it to be released by ITV?

Or they know it isn't related but won't/don't want to confirm it? This is where a local reporter could really ask the important specific questions! The below quote is pretty unusual coming from Police:

I think the point was that they have released footage of Libby talking about a spider...when a spider web covers the CCTV.

Maybe a subtle hint that the spider web cctv is exactly what we assume it to be (LS been put in PR car)

 

[Sarahjo]

Previously unseen video of missing Libby Squire released month on from student's disappearance
A CCTV camera filmed her on Beverley Road, at the junction with Haworth Street, on Friday, 1 February at 12.05am. There have been no further sightings or contact from Libby since this time.

Is this referring to the spider cam?

No, we don’t know that’s her in the spider video, this must be a different one that hasn’t been released.

this i think must be why they are so sure PR is involved, I think they have CCTV of them together on the main road, perhaps at the bench/near the bench maybe walking together down Haworth road but then it doesn’t capture what happens when they go down Haworth as they are now out of view of that actual camera.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

No, we don’t know that’s her in the spider video, this must be a different one that hasn’t been released.

this i think must be why they are so sure PR is involved, I think they have CCTV of them together on the main road, perhaps at the bench/near the bench maybe walking together down Haworth road but then it doesn’t capture what happens when they go down Haworth as they are now out of view of that actual camera.

Agree. Read between the lines.They have footage of this event but its not the spidercam that we are privvy to. IMO

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Eta...Aware of rumours and theories and theyre looking into them. ( accomplice? Trafficked?)

Admit they have more cctv

Still a man under investigation for KIDNAP!

No postive leads to where she is or what happened Still searching River

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UK law distinguishes clearly between acts of abduction and kidnap. Abduction is defined as taking a person or child away from their home and family by means of deception or force.Kidnapping is defined by law as taking someone unwillingly and keeping them illegally imprisoned without their valid consent.

Can anyone find a clearer definition of the legal difference between kidnap and abduction of an adult in the UK?

 

[Cherwell]

Does anyone else find it odd that the police are searching the Humber again today, following the reports of a body in the water on Tuesday? They've stated since Tuesday that there have been no further sightings and even said that if there was anything to be found, they'd have found it... Seems those words are a little contradictory to their actions since they're searching again 2 days later.

No. They have previously explained that the search areas need to follow the tides, so will change as the tide of the estuary does.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Can anyone find a clearer definition of the legal difference between kidnap and abduction of an adult in the UK?

The reason Im interested is because the difference may indicate what le line of thinking is. Not interchangeable usage ?

 

[Joolz1975]

Child Abduction & Kidnapping Solicitors in London & SE | Lawtons Law

That's related to a child though.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

UK law distinguishes clearly between acts of abduction and kidnap.

Abduction is defined as taking a person or child away from their home and family by means of deception or force.

Kidnapping is defined by law as taking someone unwillingly and keeping them illegally imprisoned without their valid consent. The latter is normally done with motive, such as financial gain in the form of a ransom.

Child Abduction & Kidnapping Solicitors in London & SE | Lawtons Law

EDIT snap Joolz!

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Child Abduction & Kidnapping Solicitors in London & SE | Lawtons Law

Deleted as Jools has already covered

 

[Joolz1975]

Thats specifically child abduction though Joolz? Which I think is a seperate offence in English law maybe?

Yes maybe.

Will keep looking.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I think the point was that they have released footage of Libby talking about a spider...when a spider web covers the CCTV.

Maybe a subtle hint that the spider web cctv is exactly what we assume it to be (LS been put in PR car)

I honestly don't believe Police play games like this. Also if PR is the only person involved in disappearing Libby then who is the subtle hint aimed at? PR is in custody.

Where I struggle with the spider cam footage is it has been released and Police have repeatedly stated they won't do that because they want to protect the integrity of the investigation.

 

[Sarahjo]

Agree. Read between the lines.They have footage of this event but its not the spidercam that we are privvy to. IMO

Yip, they must have something a lot clearer than what we have seen that puts them both together.. today’s statement has really made me sad, and this I think is why they are spending the last 3 days searching for the body that was supposedly spoted as I think they are sure as they can be of what happened that night.

 

[Joolz1975]

I honestly don't believe Police play games like this. Also if PR is the only person involved in disappearing Libby then who is the subtle hint aimed at? PR is in custody.

Where I struggle with the spider cam footage is it has been released and Police have repeatedly stated they won't do that because they want to protect the integrity of the investigation.

I never said that's what I thought.

Just pointed out that's what I thought the other poster meant when they mentioned spider cam.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Yes maybe.

Will keep looking.

CMC pasted definition is clearer than mine i think joolz as it covers ' person'

 

[Joolz1975]

I honestly don't believe Police play games like this. Also if PR is the only person involved in disappearing Libby then who is the subtle hint aimed at? PR is in custody.

Where I struggle with the spider cam footage is it has been released and Police have repeatedly stated they won't do that because they want to protect the integrity of the investigation.

Police didn't release spider cam footage ITV did.

 

[Joolz1975]

CMC pasted definition is clearer than mine i think joolz as it covers ' person'

Yes it does.

From same source though.

Drop them an email see if they can see why the police would quote kidnap and not abduction?

You would think if they thought she was taken and murdered that night they would state abduction wouldn't you.

There must be a reason they used that specific phrase.

 

[Ched]

12:05 mentioned again Libby Squire: A month on | Humberside Police

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I never said that's what I thought.

Just pointed out that's what I thought the other poster meant when they mentioned spider cam.

Maybe ATWE could clarify? I thought the comment was referring to the quote from Police about the 12:05am last sighting by Police?

Police didn't release spider cam footage ITV did.

Yes, but don't you think if the footage was "central to the investigation" as ITV said the Police would have respectfully asked ITV not to run it and they would certainly comply?

The idea of games being played with CCTV footage just doesn't sit well with me. Especially when Police have repeatedly stated they won't release footage willy-nilly.

 

[Ched]

Police explain why no CCTV of missing Libby Squire has been released

 

[Cherwell]

I honestly don't believe Police play games like this. Also if PR is the only person involved in disappearing Libby then who is the subtle hint aimed at? PR is in custody.

Where I struggle with the spider cam footage is it has been released and Police have repeatedly stated they won't do that because they want to protect the integrity of the investigation.

These are my thoughts too.
I also wonder why no appeal was made for the witnesses to come forward (cyclist, driver of other car).

Police didn't release spider cam footage ITV did.

Yes, but the police could have prevented it from being released.