Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[Vermont24]

Multiple cameras would definitely pick that journey up - particularly via the A63.

 

[jamjim]

Also, the McDonald's and Esso garage near the retail park close to St Andrew's Quay are open 24 hours, so there most likely would have been people around the area in the early hours.

 

[Zazie]

Libby Squire
Libby Squire - Google My Maps

What do locals (hypothetically) think of in and around this quay for disposing of a body - assuming that's what we are (hypothetically, again) implying?

Seems heck of a public and built-up to me, after a scan on Google Streetview? But perhaps a good place to casually toss some objects over a sea wall?

Or, to just casually toss. (Sorry.)

 

[Vermont24]

Also, the McDonald's and Esso garage near the retail park close to St Andrew's Quay are open 24 hours, so there most likely would have been people around the area in the early hours.

Plus all of the 'big box' retailers and car dealerships in the area. It'll be heavily surveilled.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Remember though, she could only ever have been in the passenger seat of that car and could only have been alive. If she'd been in the back seat or boot, or if cadaver dogs had picked up a scent, he would already have been charged with abduction and/or murder.

I have to respectfully disagree. I don't see how police could distinguish from a live or dead person being in the back or passenger seat of a car. He could have also wrapped a body in something, so no traces.

 

[Cherwell]

I have to respectfully disagree. I don't see how police could distinguish from a live or dead person being in the back or passenger seat of a car. He could have also wrapped a body in something, so no traces.

Cadaver dogs would detect it.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I have to respectfully disagree. I don't see how police could distinguish from a live or dead person being in the back or passenger seat of a car. He could have also wrapped a body in something, so no traces.

A cadaver dog can detect the death scent after just a couple of minutes exposure to a dead body.

I mean, there's always a possibility someone might be "not quite dead", I suppose. Unconscious would perhaps be a better word.

 

[Sera]

Regarding the Libby Map - I'll add the 7 new charges when I know which streets they took place on. I know the December 26 charge is probably the efit/Ella Street incident but I'll wait until it's confirmed on MSM or by LE to add them, so they'll probably be added next Monday. If anyone needs to see the Libby Map, it's linked at the beginning of this thread on page 2 and also in my status.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Cadaver dogs would detect it.

I've argued before, that's debatable. A body could have been there for a very short time and you can't guarantee that anyone dog can detect cadaver scent within minutes. There are so many variables.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Well, he know he's right-handed at least!

(Look at Hull Live on FB via their link. Interesting. Very interesting...)

"They include a charge of outraging public decency on December 26, 2018, at Hull in a public place where he is alleged to have committed an act of outraging public decency by behaving in an indecent manner, namely by having his penis out in his right hand."

Live as Pawel Relowicz appears in court charged with more offences

 

[Scorpiette]

Can someone link to MSM Facebook please , you might want to read .... quickly

This photo reminds me slightly of a young Dave Gahan (Depeche Mode)...albeit heavier.

 

[Joelle88]

Really?!

Yeah, his deameanor was completely different this time. The muscles around his mouth were twitching a lot. He also had a lot of scabby spots this time on his lower face, like he’d been repeatedly picking at them. He didn’t even bother to look around the courtroom. He seemed almost sheepish this time and looked thoroughly miserable. I guess being on remand isn’t as easy as being in Police Custody.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I've argued before, that's debatable. A body could have been there for a very short time and you can't guarantee that anyone dog can detect cadaver scent within minutes. There are so many variables.

True. I'd like to think most cadavers are well trained and pretty reliable though.

 

[Scorpiette]

What do locals (hypothetically) think of in and around this quay for disposing of a body - assuming that's what we are (hypothetically, again) implying?

Seems heck of a public and built-up to me, after a scan on Google Streetview? But perhaps a good place to casually toss some objects over a sea wall?

Or, to just casually toss. (Sorry.)

If there's a petrol station there, maybe he filled up there? Just a random thought.

 

[Audiohoney]

Yeah, his deameanor was completely different this time. The muscles around his mouth were twitching a lot. He also had a lot of scabby spots this time on his lower face, like he’d been repeatedly picking at them. He didn’t even bother to look around the courtroom. He seemed almost sheepish this time and looked thoroughly miserable. I guess being on remand isn’t as easy as being in Police Custody.

Was he asked to respond to the new charges Joelle? ie: did his lawyer repeat the ‘not guilty’ plea? I’ve also heard him described as MUCH stockier and far less young and ‘boyish’ than his pictures would imply? Would you agree?

 

[Joelle88]

Was he asked to respond to the new charges Joelle? ie: did his lawyer repeat the ‘not guilty’ plea? I’ve also heard him described as MUCH stockier and far less young and ‘boyish’ than his pictures would imply? Would you agree?

No plea was entered today. Yes, he’s much heavier/stockier than in a lot of those old photos of him.

 

[PaddyOreally?]

If he's found guilty of these strange sex crimes, would it make it more likely that he'll be charged with Libby's murder?

Because it must be easier to charge a convicted serial sex offender than a man with no previous convictions right? Even if they don't have s body?

 

[Armchair_Defective]

True. I'd like to think most cadavers are well trained and pretty reliable though.

I would too, some of the FBI trainers are very convinced by them and personally I think they give a firm indication a body was there but....not all the factors are understood to give a solid figure on reliability in all conditions.

As you said, a person could be unconscious and near death whilst transported also, a horrible thought but a possibility.

 

[Vermont24]

If there's a petrol station there, maybe he filled up there? Just a random thought.

LE will be aware of what he's been doing with his money and where.

Speaking of, I wonder how many of those affected by the crimes he's been charged with were members of the same gym as PR, which is in the same area as LS's accommodation and very popular with students - particularly those in second year onwards. First year students tend to use the University's facilities.

The gym, in general, is quite unique in the sense that it's possible to build up recognition and familiarity with people without really getting to know them in any meaningful sense. People are constantly coming and going, and it would likely be possible to follow somebody home without causing too much suspicion. I'm sure one of the first things LE do in cases like this is to attempt to establish links and patterns by looking at common memberships etc.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

I'm wondering what is the area covered by a 'phone ping'? There are many spots if you look near St Andrews Quay where someone could park and drop things straight into the water.
I'm wondering if there are any red light areas around there with which an alleged pervy peeper might be familiar? ...apparently, Hessle road, opposite St Andrews Quay is a red light area.