Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[CoverMeCagney]

@Noseyjosie I've had some 'like' notifications for the last few days as you've diligently worked your way through all the threads - congratulations for finally getting to the end!!

 

[motherofdaughters]

*we* don’t know it was him.

 

[janeh]

Not to flog the horse, but this one especially so. This is an issue I'm very involved with in that area - it's actually the reason that gate was put up in the first place.

I'm wondering if there's a landfill search a la Corrie McKeague coming.

I was just thinking the same myself, except Libby didn't have her phone to track her anywhere as in the Corrie case. The police are flummoxed here because there is nothing at all toto he trace her movements or give them a clue to her whereabouts.

I just had a sudden thought that having a phone or some sort of tracker system for safety reasons would assist in this type of situation but who expects to suddenly go missing like this.

 

[Oulton]

And sorry to bring up grey beard - but if he really was concerned for her welfare surely he would have called 101 to alert them to a drunk vulnerable student out on her own in the cold, worse for wear? She must’ve been able to coherently tell him she was ok for him to be satisfied she was going to be alright? To then get in a stranger’s car seems odd. It only really leaves two options - she was under duress or she kind of somehow knew of PR, if only from casual recognition. Still a massive risk for a highly intelligent philosophy student.

 

[kate2931]

Why do the alley’s at the back of the houses only go so far down ? Why not all along the block ?

Just a side note, unusual to see terraced houses with gardens. From a town full of terraced streets with backyards only ..

 

[jessie]

And sorry to bring up grey beard - but if he really was concerned for her welfare surely he would have called 101 to alert them to a drunk vulnerable student out on her own in the cold, worse for wear? She must’ve been able to coherently tell him she was ok for him to be satisfied she was going to be alright? To then get in a stranger’s car seems odd. It only really leaves two options - she was under duress or she kind of somehow knew of PR, if only from casual recognition. Still a massive risk for a highly intelligent philosophy student.

BBM - Maybe he did, we don't know ?

 

[motherofdaughters]

And sorry to bring up grey beard - but if he really was concerned for her welfare surely he would have called 101 to alert them to a drunk vulnerable student out on her own in the cold, worse for wear? She must’ve been able to coherently tell him she was ok for him to be satisfied she was going to be alright? To then get in a stranger’s car seems odd. It only really leaves two options - she was under duress or she kind of somehow knew of PR, if only from casual recognition. Still a massive risk for a highly intelligent philosophy student.

He possibly did, a patrol car may have scoped the area, seen nothing and carried on.
When she was reported missing, it appears that it very quickly became a concern given the immediate efforts to locate her.
Could this be because someone had reported something? Again, right now, we just don’t know.

 

[Plod]

I get that its the proof that they are struggling with.
I guess I went off on a tangent but my question was meant to be .. how can in 2019 a body just disappear with no forensic evidence? He is a petty criminal, he isn't a mastermind and I would think that you would have to be incredibly smart and also have the crime be premeditated to leave no forensic evidence. Especially in the dark.
*if he had moved her body from the park using his car then surely there would be dna/blood/scent etc which there doesn't seem to be.
*if she was left in the park then surely they would find something by now. I doubt in them cold, icy conditions that the water wouldn't have taken her far.

How can someone be smarter than forensics and have gotten away with it in 2019 under the circumstances of which it seems to have happened (he took her at 12.09 and drove her to the park, potentially then drove home until work the next morning, hense the small search area).

I guess we don’t know what forensic evidence they have. It might be a little, and they are just not able to charge him based on that. I guess what I’m trying to say is the balance of proof is so high - they want to be certain before charging.

I too find it hard to believe that cctv has not been sufficient but I guess a lot of side streets do not have them, and I imagine most terraced houses don’t. IMHO perhaps he left her in the park and drove his car straight home.

 

[Oulton]

*we don’t know it was him*

Then why hasn’t that person come forward on the spidercam? The press will have a lot of backtracking to do and LE have led a lot of people to believe they’ve got their man seriously undermining all lines of enquiry since. Either way, the press stated it was Libby in that car on the footage so *whoever* it is has got to know something.

Regarding the other 4 on the CCTV that have not come forward - could they be involved with PR’s thieving and stolen goods etc? If he didn’t harm Libby and simply gave her a lift was he later at oak fields area because of other criminal activity unrelated to the disappearance of her? Lots of really bad coincidences of bad timing/wrong place though!

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

*we don’t know it was him*

Then why hasn’t that person come forward on the spidercam? The press will have a lot of backtracking to do and LE have led a lot of people to believe they’ve got their man seriously undermining all lines of enquiry since. Either way, the press stated it was Libby in that car on the footage so *whoever* it is has got to know something.

Regarding the other 4 on the CCTV that have not come forward - could they be involved with PR’s thieving and stolen goods etc? If he didn’t harm Libby and simply gave her a lift was he later at oak fields area because of other criminal activity unrelated to the disappearance of her? Lots of really bad coincidences of bad timing/wrong place though!

I haven't seen it stated anywhere that it is definitely Libby in the spidercam car. Do you have a link for such a statement please?

 

[Cherwell]

*we don’t know it was him*

Then why hasn’t that person come forward on the spidercam? The press will have a lot of backtracking to do and LE have led a lot of people to believe they’ve got their man seriously undermining all lines of enquiry since. Either way, the press stated it was Libby in that car on the footage so *whoever* it is has got to know something.

I took *we don’t know it was him* to mean that we don't know that he is the person responsible for L's disappearance.

Regarding the other 4 on the CCTV that have not come forward - could they be involved with PR’s thieving and stolen goods etc? If he didn’t harm Libby and simply gave her a lift was he later at oak fields area because of other criminal activity unrelated to the disappearance of her? Lots of really bad coincidences of bad timing/wrong place though!

I think they are simply people who were in the area and who just might have seen or heard something relevant. Nothing more than that.

 

[Oulton]

In the ITV footage the reporter states that the car drives off at exactly the same time Libby was last seen. If that isn’t misleading the public I don’t know what is!

 

[Cherwell]

In the ITV footage the reporter states that the car drives off at exactly the same time Libby was last seen. If that isn’t misleading the public I don’t know what is!

You would have to take that up with ITV, not the police.
As far as I'm aware, the police haven't said anything about the spidercam footage. But IMBW.

 

[Noseyjosie]

@Noseyjosie I've had some 'like' notifications for the last few days as you've diligently worked your way through all the threads - congratulations for finally getting to the end!!

Thank you! I promise not to mention foxes ;-)

 

[Plod]

I took *we don’t know it was him* to mean that we don't know that he is the person responsible for L's disappearance.


I think they are simply people who were in the area and who just might have seen or heard something relevant. Nothing more than that.

And I guess they haven’t come forward because a) they don’t want police to know they were there - some other petty crime happening b) the couple maybe don’t want other partners knowing they were together c) don’t want other people knowing it was then for
Some other totally unrelated reason. I agree it is the police probably narrowing the timeline re PR or LS’s movements.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Thank you! I promise not to mention foxes ;-)

Haha, or spider webs, or house numbers!

You would have to take that up with ITV, not the police.
As far as I'm aware, the police haven't said anything about the spidercam footage. But IMBW.

You're not wrong, the police have never confirmed it is PR in the CCTV.

However, the implication is that it's him as I don't think they'd allow a random stranger to get scrutinised like this. And I've mentioned this before - ITV plays it safe like the BBC, they wouldn't have released this during an active investigation without checking with police.

 

[Oulton]

The Sun 12th Feb also ‘CCTV footage emerges of missing Libby Squire ‘getting in car with a man before he drives off’.

 

[Strontium69]

I'm starting to wonder if the Police are working on their own theory/assumption that Libby WAS in the Park, but that she is NO LONGER in the Park, so they are fixating on the PR end of things to find the traces of where she/they went AFTER the park, whether or not she was still alive at that point, etc.

 

[Z03]

A clumsy petty criminal who is being charged left right and centre has potentially murdered and disposed of a body in a highly populated, cctv riddled area and left no forensic evidence, let alone a body.
Where is she?!
@the poster above.. msm said she was last seen at 12.09 at that bench where a man walked up to a woman and put her in a car, rushed around to his side and drive off incredibly fast (also at 12.09). That must have been the last sighting of her.
My theory as I said a few posts back is that they tracked the car to the park and then back to his house. That is the only plausible explanation to me as to why the search area is so small.
I think she is probably in the water but I am pretty confident that the police don't think this as they havent spent a lot of time searching under water. Perhaps experts of water/tides/weather have said that if she was in the water then she would only be in a small area and if she wasn't there then its unlikely that she has travelled further (at the time of the search).
I wish they was searching more for her.

 

[Sammie1970]

Sorry to be a pain if going over old ground but is it likely it was ID she was rummaging around for in her pocket in this footage as she pulls something out twice from her pocket and the second time it looks like she puts it to her face to me?

New Libby Squire CCTV shows missing student, 21, stumbling towards nightclub