Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #11 *ARREST*

[Oulton]

And I guess they haven’t come forward because a) they don’t want police to know they were there - some other petty crime happening b) the couple maybe don’t want other partners knowing they were together c) don’t want other people knowing it was then for
Some other totally unrelated reason. I agree it is the police probably narrowing the timeline re PR or LS’s movements.

Perhaps it was PR but with another woman - an affair. God, he’d be busy though, all that flashing to boot!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

@the poster above.. msm said she was last seen at 12.09 at that bench where a man walked up to a woman and put her in a car, rushed around to his side and drive off incredibly fast (also at 12.09). .

Just picking up this part of your quote - he didn't drive off incredibly fast, the footage is speeded up. Really wish they hadn't messed with it so much, but I'm sure someone found a video with it all at normal speed.

 

[Z03]

Just picking up this part of your quote - he didn't drive off incredibly fast, the footage is speeded up. Really wish they hadn't messed with it so much, but I'm sure someone found a video with it all at normal speed.

Yes if you look at the clock and the seconds ticking you can see that it is sped up.. but he still moves off within seconds. This is by looking at the cctv timer

 

[Mollie123]

I'm starting to wonder if the Police are working on their own theory/assumption that Libby WAS in the Park, but that she is NO LONGER in the Park, so they are fixating on the PR end of things to find the traces of where she/they went AFTER the park, whether or not she was still alive at that point, etc.

This would make sense because to me it has never looked like they were searching for a body just evidence?

 

[Newthoughts]

In the ITV footage the reporter states that the car drives off at exactly the same time Libby was last seen. If that isn’t misleading the public I don’t know what is!

ITV are a reputable news source. The footage is edited to the last few minutes of what they say is 20 minutes of suspicious activity. We don't see the car arrive or the driver get out so we have no idea what happens before. Whether images are clearer in certain shots, whether there is additional footage from the bench (police requested dashcam footage from anyone in the area as well as CCTV).

I guess it was released after liaising with the police and I'd guess ITV ran it past their lawyers to ensure they weren't slandering anyone when the referred to the footage as 20 minutes of suspicious activity.

I'd be very surprised if LE and ITV would let it go into the public domain if they weren't sure it was PR and Libby. I'd be surprised if ITV would open themselves up to legal proceedings if they weren't reassured it was

 

[Vermont24]

Sorry to be a pain if going over old ground but is it likely it was ID she was rummaging around for in her pocket in this footage as she pulls something out twice from her pocket and the second time it looks like she puts it to her face to me?

New Libby Squire CCTV shows missing student, 21, stumbling towards nightclub

I never bought the 'second phone' theory. To me, she's approaching the queue, and that is indeed ID/a Welly card that she's taking out of her pocket. I think the hand being brought towards the face is a quick adjustment of the hair - something plenty of people, girls especially, would do before heading into a club. Some people see a flick of the hair in the Haworth St CCTV footage, too.

 

[Z03]

He gets in the car at 12.07.30
It gets sped up until he drives off.
He drives off at 12.07.47
His ignition is on though before 12.07.47.
He is in the road at 12.07.50
It takes him about 17 seconds to get in his car and start reversing etc.
I might time myself later and see how long it takes when I'm at a normal pace and rushing.

 

[Z03]

He gets in the car at 12.07.30
It gets sped up until he drives off.
He drives off at 12.07.47
His ignition is on though before 12.07.47.
He is in the road at 12.07.50
It takes him about 17 seconds to get in his car and start reversing etc.
I might time myself later and see how long it takes when I'm at a normal pace and rushing.

Also to add that the cctv is a minute slow. So it was close to 12.09 in real time

 

[Scorpiette]

Sorry to be a pain if going over old ground but is it likely it was ID she was rummaging around for in her pocket in this footage as she pulls something out twice from her pocket and the second time it looks like she puts it to her face to me?

New Libby Squire CCTV shows missing student, 21, stumbling towards nightclub

Lipgloss possibly?

 

[Newthoughts]

Am I right in thinking the cctv re the four people in Oak Road has never been shown with close up detail as the Haworth one was.

I've looked at the map from that area. I've read it's not a nice area. I'm not quite sure exactly where that camera was but it looks like there are several other businesses there - The Range, Mecca bingo etc. Sorry if this had been discussed but would that be the only footage LE have? Wouldn't some of those businesses have security guards.

 

[Oulton]

BBM - Maybe he did, we don't know ?

Can you remember if the police appealed for two motorists to come forward? If he had already called in on that night would they would have his details any way?

 

[HopeForGoodNews]

No, that was next door neighbour John wasn't it? He has the key for the blue gate between their houses.

Neither John nor Pawel would have a key for the iron gate to the alley as their houses don't use it.

They would have had access to the passage between the houses from the back garden though so not sure why this was not searched. A key was not needed.

 

[Vermont24]

I've looked at the map from that area. I've read it's not a nice area. I'm not quite sure exactly where that camera was but it looks like there are several other businesses there - The Range, Mecca bingo etc. Sorry if this had been discussed but would that be the only footage LE have? Wouldn't some of those businesses have security guards.

CCTV footage is from the entrance to Croda. It's a higher angle of this view:

Google Maps

 

[CoverMeCagney]

They would have had access to the passage between the houses from the back garden though so not sure why this was not searched. A key was not needed.

They already searched the passage in between 22 & 24, John opened the gate for them. The longer passage accessed from the end of the road doesn't even run behind those houses.

 

[Oulton]

They would have had access to the passage between the houses from the back garden though so not sure why this was not searched. A key was not needed.

Perhaps they have new info. In the Hull Live report yesterday, one of the neighbours on the street said that they saw the police pick up a black object and place it an evidence bag.

 

[Oulton]

And given PR’s alleged penchant for stealing certain items - the object could be anything!

 

[jessie]

Can you remember if the police appealed for two motorists to come forward? If he had already called in on that night would they would have his details any way?

No AFAIR they did request the person who stopped to help to come forward, and also requested any dashcam motorists might have.

You have a fair point, if GB rang 101 is that a general number? Police/Ambulance/Fire ? I've little knowledge on that but if 101 was contacted, isn't it a 'non emergency' number? Maybe classed as noone at risk of life so no immediate action taken?

All hypothetical of course, as we know zilch.

 

[Vermont24]

No AFAIR they did request the person who stopped to help to come forward, and also requested any dashcam motorists might have.

You have a fair point, if GB rang 101 is that a general number? Police/Ambulance/Fire ? I've little knowledge on that but if 101 was contacted, isn't it a 'non emergency' number? Maybe classed as noone at risk of life so no immediate action taken?

All hypothetical of course, as we know zilch.

You're right, 101 is non-emergency, and it can take a while to get through. People often report online as a quicker alternative.

 

[Oulton]

No AFAIR they did request the person who stopped to help to come forward, and also requested any dashcam motorists might have.

You have a fair point, if GB rang 101 is that a general number? Police/Ambulance/Fire ? I've little knowledge on that but if 101 was contacted, isn't it a 'non emergency' number? Maybe classed as noone at risk of life so no immediate action taken?

All hypothetical of course, as we know zilch.

They take your details if you call in for sure.

 

[Newthoughts]

Whether traces of her were found in his car or not, it seems clear that the police have found no evidence that he harmed her. If they did, they would have charged him.

We don't actually know what they have beyond Spidercam. It'snot a crime to give someone a lift.

On balance it's likely she has come to harm - it's just how and whether anyone else was involved that is under investigation

For quite some time after her disappearance LE were saying they were concerned for her welfare.

A few days after arresting PR that changed to fear she had come to some harm.

I don't know if that change in terminology is standard or not.

They asked for extra time to question him on several occasions and were given it up to the maximum allowable. Each new request for more time would have required a new and good reason. Usually new evidence.

In finding more and more crimes to charge him with they have bought themselves more time.