Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #13 *ARREST*

[Plod]

Street bench, not park bench. Apologies. Thank you. A bench that is normally in a park was on the street, surrounded by graffiti, not in a park. It was near a park.

She disappeared and someone was helped into his car in a one minute timeframe.

Shores of France are not relevant other than to make the point that if her body had not been found at Grimsby Docks, it would have gone out to sea.

I wonder what happened.
Please correct the facts.

Don’t worry - just if you mention things that aren’t accurate, the whole thread will become confused!

Out of interest, what are you a verified expert in??

 

[mrjitty]

Like a black hole with the server for a minute there ...

I think they run a database backup around 7.30 am UK time daily - the site is always down around that time

 

[otto]

There has been no information released to indicate when the suspect might have arrived home. Only that police are asking anybody in the area between midnight and 3am to come forward.

To reiterate ... Libby did not disappear from a park bench. She was last seen on or near a street bench.

Thank you! That police are interested in the 3AM time means that they are certain he was home after that time. Yes, it was a park bench on a street near the park, a street bench.

If he murdered her in the park minutes after her abduction, where was he between that time and when he was at home? The timing doesn't work with the ear witnesses at the park for it to be over in less that 30 minutes, although that is how it works most often. According to that testimony, the attack was over shortly after midnight.

Was she alive from midnight until 2AM, maybe 1AM?
On which side of the sluice was she murdered?

What if the coroner announces that it was a suicide.
I wouldn't believe it, but it is possible.

 

[Vermont24]

People seem to have become enamoured with the sluice overnight. In an effort to not go in circles...

I originally mentioned and linked to it to show that it wouldn't be possible to pass through. To clarify, it's on the Beverley and Barmston Drain, just before it meets the River Hull. It's not on the River itself, as @Strontium69 has shown. The Drain is slow and very shallow - there's MSM images of searchers stood in it. I fell in as a kid and simply walked out.

LS wasn't in there at any point.

 

[Vermont24]

Suspect at the sluice
11 minutes from her home.

What time did he arrive home on the night that she disappeared from a park bench?

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That image of PR isn't at the sluice - not even close.

Please, let's be careful about what is posted before the thread fills with incorrect or irrelevant information. A lot of what has been said overnight, presumably from sleuthers not on GMT, has no reason to enter people's thinking about what may have happened.

 

[otto]

People seem to have become enamoured with the sluice overnight. In an effort to not go in circles...

I originally mentioned and linked to it to show that it wouldn't be possible to pass through. To clarify, it's on the Beverley and Barmston Drain, just before it meets the River Hull. It's not on the River itself, as @Strontium69 has shown. The Drain is slow and very shallow - there's MSM images of searchers stood in it. I fell in as a kid and simply walked out.

LS wasn't in there at any point.

I think I'm the only one who is enamoured with the sluice.

Circles? On which side of the sluice was she murdered? Could a body go through the sluice over a period of 3 months? If a body went through the sluice, what would the body look like in the tide?

Never mind. Is the sluice opened and closed with the rain water table?

 

[otto]

That image of PR isn't at the sluice - not even close.

Please, let's be careful about what is posted before the thread fills with incorrect or irrelevant information. A lot of what has been said overnight, presumably from sleuthers not on GMT, has no reason to enter people's thinking about what may have happened.

Do you know where this photo was taken?
Maybe it will help figure out where Libby went into the water?

 

[Vermont24]

Do you know where is the photo taken?
Maybe it will help figure out where Libby went into the water?

That photo was taken outside The Deep:
The Deep (aquarium) - Wikipedia

She didn't go into the water there. Not a chance.

 

[Joolz1975]

This is frustrating.

Otto you are on a wild goose chase, with mis informed information.

Read the full 12 threads from start to beginning and you will have a clearer understanding.

She would not have entered the water at the 'sluice', she would not have entered the water where PR is pictured at the deep, her foot will most definitely not have washed up on the shores of France!!

She also has not been missing 3 months!

People have spent hours mapping,photographing and videoing the areas involved why not take their word for It that she would not have entered the sluice/drain rather than spending hours filling the page with such thoughts??

Also what are you a verified expert in I'm intrigued?

 

[Newthoughts]

Thank you! That police are interested in the 3AM time means that they are certain he was home after that time. Yes, it was a park bench on a street near the park, a street bench.

If he murdered her in the park minutes after her abduction, where was he between that time and when he was at home? The timing doesn't work with the ear witnesses at the park for it to be over in less that 30 minutes, although that is how it works most often. According to that testimony, the attack was over shortly after midnight.

Was she alive from midnight until 2AM, maybe 1AM?
On which side of the sluice was she murdered?

What if the coroner announces that it was a suicide.
I wouldn't believe it, but it is possible.

Otto I think you need need to read the threads to date.

Why would the 3am timeline mean he was definitely home at that time? Have there been definite reports here to that effect.

Personally I'm not sure why LE think that time is important. It could be because LE have evidence he was home but nobody knows. We do not know if his wife and family were at the family home at that time. Or if they'd be treated as trusted sources of evidence.

The ear testimony only refers to screams nothing else. That could imply he bundled her into one of the derelict buildings where she couldn't be heard as well. Or he managed to silence her in other ways because he'd finished dragging her somewhere. Or the screams were foxes. We don't know.

There is CCTV footage from much later on Oak Road (between 1.12am and 2.30am). The police seen to think it significant enough to ask the people involved to come forward more than once. It might be worth examining that.

 

[otto]

That photo was taken outside The Deep:
The Deep (aquarium) - Wikipedia

She didn't go into the water there. Not a chance.

If the "Deep" on this map?

Where did she go into the water?

 

[Vermont24]

If the "Deep" on this map?

Where did she go into the water?

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Put 'The Deep Hull' into Google maps and you'll see exactly where it is. It's in the centre of the city - or downtown, depending on where you're from.

 

[Coach]

The body that was spotted in the water at Paull a few weeks ago (it was around 26th Feb I think) - they searched and didn't find anything. Could that also have been LS's body that was spotted in the water back then?

 

[Joolz1975]

Put 'The Deep Hull' into Google maps and you'll see exactly where it is. It's in the centre of the city - or downtown, depending on where you're from.

Strontium uploaded a map last night showing him where The Deep was. Don't know what the fixation is with it.

 

[otto]

This is frustrating.

Otto you are on a wild goose chase, with mis informed information.

Read the full 12 threads from start to beginning and you will have a clearer understanding.

She would not have entered the water at the 'sluice', she would not have entered the water where PR is pictured at the deep, her foot will most definitely not have washed up on the shores of France!!

She also has not been missing 3 months!

People have spent hours mapping,photographing and videoing the areas involved why not take their word for It that she would not have entered the sluice/drain rather than spending hours filling the page with such thoughts??

Also what are you a verified expert in I'm intrigued?

I actually have been reading this discussion since the beginning.
I agree about the French shores.

She vanished January 31. Two months?

"People have spent hours mapping,photographing and videoing the areas involved why not take their word for It that she would not have entered the sluice/drain rather than spending hours filling the page with such thoughts?"​

link?

 

[Deleted member 238128]

If the "Deep" on this map?

Where did she go into the water?

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I don’t understand what you’re getting at?

 

[otto]

Strontium uploaded a map last night showing him where The Deep was. Don't know what the fixation is with it.

How deep is the water, and how close to shore was she found?

 

[Joolz1975]

I actually have been reading this discussion since the beginning.
I agree about the French shores.

She vanished January 31. Two months?

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"People have spent hours mapping,photographing and videoing the areas involved why not take their word for It that she would not have entered the sluice/drain rather than spending hours filling the page with such thoughts?"​

link?

7 weeks!!

Link?? If you had read all 12 threads you would find all the videos, photos and maps you needed that locals and other dedicated sleuthers had taken the time to share.

I'm not doing your homework for you!

 

[Newthoughts]

I actually have been reading this discussion since the beginning.
I agree about the French shores.

She vanished January 31. Two months?

View attachment 175777

"People have spent hours mapping,photographing and videoing the areas involved why not take their word for It that she would not have entered the sluice/drain rather than spending hours filling the page with such thoughts?"​

link?

Perhaps if you could give a clue to your line of reasoning or what you are questioning people could help.

The Deep is an aquarium. It's likely that there are staff there even when it is closed to the public. Marine biologists, security etc. I would assume you'd hit lots of CCTV to get there I don't think any local person would see it as a place to dispose of a body.

 

[Plod]

If the "Deep" on this map?

Where did she go into the water?

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Otto - you are on the thread as a verified expert - is it something to do with water/sluices? Or what are you an expert in? As many have said we don’t know where she went in the water. We can be sure the sluice is not involved as a body would not get through it.