Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #13 *ARREST*

[Deleted member 238128]

No. Otto is a long-standing member here. He just hasn't properly acquainted himself with the facts in this case, and may have misunderstood some for linguistic reasons.

I’m sorry @otto - crossed wires I think and a bit of oversensitivity from me this week with the recent news. Read your posts the wrong way and mistook your intentions

 

[Vermont24]

I suddenly can't shake the idea that Libby had injured herself in a fall between her house and the bench and he'd offered to take her to get help. That could explain the rather hard landing when entering the car that seems to take place in the CCTV.

Somebody quash that thinking for me, please.

 

[TheCasual]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but some people are embarrassed by what they see as excessive displays of sentiment. It doesn't always mean that they aren't saddened by a tragic event, but they may not want to dwell on it, and some of them may have troubles of their own. So do try not to feel angry.

This true.

One of my mates lives Phillip Larkin Close. A two-minute walk from 'Libby's bench'. He's been asking to go round beer and takeaway, but I've been putting him off.

Another mate has been asking for a day sess in Haworth, Gardeners and down Newland. I've been putting him off too.

I just can't bear to in that area at the moment.

I'm off work next week and will go pay my respects and lay some flowers next week.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Graphic post alert. I've been wondering if the PM revealed injuries which have led to LE declaring a possible homicide. For instance, damage to her head or more likely I think damage to the hyoid bone. Also whether analysis would show after this amount of time whether there was water in the lungs, which would suggest Libby was alive when she went in the water. The other thought I had, was if he (I do presume PR is the perp) had taken Libby somewhere after she had passed, in theory a cadaver dog would have alerted. No way of knowing yet, but I think LE would have tried this because he can explain away any "normal" dna being in his car. Apologies if this causes offence, speculative thoughts going through my mind of how LE can build a strong case for justice. All my own opinion.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I suddenly can't shake the idea that Libby had injured herself in a fall and he'd offered to take her to get help. That could explain the rather hard landing when entering the car that seems to take place in the CCTV.

Somebody quash that thinking for me, please.

I think he would have used that to explain why she was in his car. I know we only have unconfirmed reports in MSM from his family, but sure his sister said he was taking her home? Not for help. But worries are creeping all over this for me too!

 

[Oulton]

I suddenly can't shake the idea that Libby had injured herself in a fall between her house and the bench and he'd offered to take her to get help. That could explain the rather hard landing when entering the car that seems to take place in the CCTV.

Somebody quash that thinking for me, please.

What would come of that though? Help would have come of that scenario. She would not end up in the river.

 

[Vermont24]

What would come of that though? Help would have come of that scenario. She would not end up in the river.

I think you misunderstand my meaning.

 

[Oulton]

What would come of that though? Help would have come of that scenario. She would not end up in the river.

Unless you mean that was the line used for abduction?

 

[Vermont24]

Unless you mean that was the line used for abduction?

Yes, I do. He's got her in the car some way - I'd previously thought with an offer to take her back to Welly to retrieve keys, or to wait it out in his car closer to her house, but now I can't help but wonder about the 'distressed' state that has been reported. It's euphemistic lawspeak, for sure, and it could mean a number of things.

 

[DanCJ]

It was telling that the police declined to mention the results of the post-mortem. Another charge will be along the way in the next few days I expect.

 

[Katykins]

Have been reading every single post on here since the start of Feb and praying for good news. So sad to hear the heartbreaking news about Libby but want to echo many others on here in saying the posters on this forum have show so much compassion and care. The efforts from locals such as Stronts, Vermont and Joelle have been wonderful.

This is the first case I’ve followed on here and felt compelled to sign up today.

Vermont - I think I see where you might be coming from in thinking maybe Libby had hurt herself by falling over and that’s why she may have allegedly agreed to get in the car with PR (just IMO) after saying no to grey beard’s offer of help. We know she had fallen over a short time before outside her house as witnessed by the two students.

Hoping that the police have or will have enough to bring whomever is responsible to justice.

 

[Vermont24]

Have been reading every single post on here since the start of Feb and praying for good news. So sad to hear the heartbreaking news about Libby but want to echo many others on here in saying the posters on this forum have show so much compassion and care. The efforts from locals such as Stronts, Vermont and Joelle have been wonderful.

This is the first case I’ve followed on here and felt compelled to sign up today.

Vermont - I think I see where you might be coming from in thinking maybe Libby had hurt herself by falling over and that’s why she may have allegedly agreed to get in the car with PR (just IMO) after saying no to grey beard’s offer of help. We know she had fallen over a short time before outside her house as witnessed by the two students.

Hoping that the police have or will have enough to bring whomever is responsible to justice.

To my mind, if LS had a need to get into a car with a stranger that makes it more likely than simply accepting a lift. As you say, MSM has reported that she'd fallen previously closer to her home, as witnessed by neighbours. It's not unrealistic to think that one of those, or any subsequent falls, might necessitate some medical attention.

Hopefully there is enough CCTV between Beverley Road and what we haven't seen of the Haworth St footage for LE to have a clear idea of the circumstances.

 

[Oulton]

Yes, I do. He's got her in the car some way - I'd previously thought with an offer to take her back to Welly to retrieve keys, or to wait it out in his car closer to her house, but now I can't help but wonder about the 'distressed' state that has been reported. It's euphemistic lawspeak, for sure, and it could mean a number of things.

You could be right. I cannot see her getting in the car unless there was some logic to it - fallen over, grazed knees etc etc. This would also be after gb offered to help so she might have thought best to get lift home. All speculative of course - he might have used other means.

 

[Strontium69]

You could be right. I cannot see her getting in the car unless there was some logic to it - fallen over, grazed knees etc etc. This would also be after gb offered to help so she might have thought best to get lift home. All speculative of course - he might have used other means.

That is something that had bothered me about her getting in the car after denying GB.

The only thing that made sense to me was the possibility that PR's face was familiar to her.

But given the icy conditions, and Libby's drunken state, then her falling and hurting herself after GB gives a much more plausible reason for her to get into PR's car.

 

[DanCJ]

Also, I read Lisa Squire’s piece in the news not long ago. That was a hard read, especially when she said she protected Libby the best she could over her life but apologised for not being there in her last moments. I hope Lisa never blames herself, she supported Libby and gave her freedom to pursue her education in Hull, an area she fell in love with. As a Mother, that would take true strength and love to encourage your child to pursue their ambitions even if it meant leaving home to do so. Yes, I’m shedding a few tears right now.

 

[TheCasual]

That is something that had bothered me about her getting in the car after denying GB.

The only thing that made sense to me was the possibility that PR's face was familiar to her.

But given the icy conditions, and Libby's drunken state, then her falling and hurting herself after GB gives a much more plausible reason for her to get into PR's car.

Maybe PR's youthful looks made him look more trustworthy.

 

[Joolz1975]

That is something that had bothered me about her getting in the car after denying GB.

The only thing that made sense to me was the possibility that PR's face was familiar to her.

But given the icy conditions, and Libby's drunken state, then her falling and hurting herself after GB gives a much more plausible reason for her to get into PR's car.

I think this also.

I'm not suggesting she knew him but she could have seen him at the gym or near the park with his kids or something.

There's lots of people local to me that I don't actually know to talk to but they are a familiar face and If I felt vulnerable I'd probably accept help from them.

 

[Newthoughts]

I suddenly can't shake the idea that Libby had injured herself in a fall and he'd offered to take her to get help. That could explain the rather hard landing when entering the car that seems to take place in the CCTV

Somebody quash that thinking for me, please.

That would have formed the basis of the excuses he gave his sister perhaps? Instead of crying girl that wanted to go home - that he 'pushed away' (I still wonder what that excuse is trying to hide) he'd have said injured girl (no need to 'push away') or hurt girl.

Grey Beard would have called her an ambulance perhaps?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I think you misunderstand my meaning.

Think I did too - you're trying to make sense of her getting in the car, not him giving reasons. Misread you, apologies.

 

[PaddyOreally?]

To my mind, if LS had a need to get into a car with a stranger that makes it more likely than simply accepting a lift. As you say, MSM has reported that she'd fallen previously closer to her home, as witnessed by neighbours. It's not unrealistic to think that one of those, or any subsequent falls, might necessitate some medical attention.

Hopefully there is enough CCTV between Beverley Road and what we haven't seen of the Haworth St footage for LE to have a clear idea of the circumstances.

Would the police not have found blood in pr's car though if she had some kind of head injury?
Unless she just hit it hard.