Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #14 *ARREST*

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Woah, that's quite a leap....
If we go with it though, he could've used it just as he got to the car and opened the front door - so, items on the back seat, stun, move person onto front seat. The video does show someone slumping quite quickly.
 
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She did get home, it’s questioning why she then made the decisions she did and alcohol maybe one of the reasons. JMO I don’t think it was alcohol, I think she had some other idea about how her night might pan out and why she did what she did.
Would you like to expand on that?
 
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If we go with it though, he could've used it just as he got to the car and opened the front door - so, items on the back seat, stun, move person onto front seat. The video does show someone slumping quite quickly.

So, has he stunned her and he's dragging her? Just waving it about to make her walk?
I'm struggling to go along with this. I hadn't considered a weapon being involved at all but even considering there was, I'm not jumping straight to bolt gun or cattle prod.....
 
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I don't think she'd have accepted a lift under the pretence of him being a taxi.
If whoever coerced her into the car under false pretences rather than some sort of force, be it verbal or physical. I think it would have been something along the lines of keeping her warm.
'I live round the corner from you, you can sit in my car and wait for your friends to get home (assuming she had no key)'
'I'll take you to the Welly, ask the bouncers to grab you some keys off a friend'

It's all assuming she had no keys but there may be any other number of reasons why she chose not to go into her home.
I've reckoned all along that she had no keys.
 
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As a past teacher I can say that has absolutely happened, as did teddy comfort toys with sanitary
I have pondered like most regarding why Libby got in his car?

I am of the belief as I mentioned previously she did not get in voluntarily. I base this on the CCTV which

I think I see .. suspicious activity regarding feet movement (forwards and backwards).
Earlier I’m
Not sure who ... but a member quietude - ‘Wouldn’t there have been screams heard , if she was forced into the car.’

That got me thinking this... PR worked in a slaughter house where I supspect Stun guns like this may be used.
IMOO - If he did use this type of device or similar stun/ sedate method, it occured most probable at the side of the car as she walked down the road, heading to the UNI or elsewhere, he sprung upon her. (Link below from Wiki) Captive bolt pistol - Wikipedia

We know he was a thief, so it’s not illogical to question could he have stolen one from work, and used it to stun her, or even bought one online. (IMO)involved




I read the stun gun point raised much earlier in the thread. But cannot recall if his close familiarity to these things have been raised. (Forgive me of this has been.)

I find this hard to believe.
PR would not be involved at work using a stun gun.
The animals would come as meat.
I can think he would have thought about acquiring a stun gun.
 
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Hit the report button then that's what it's there for.

I don't know how I could have made it clearer that LS was not to blame but I genuinely don't think he would have tried this on someone more capable of defending themselves.
Personally I think any lone female would have been at risk from PR. Feelings aren't evidence of anything and shouldn't play a part but everything I've heard, including stuff not in the public domain unnerves me about him.

The way his behavior appears to be headed and the risks it looks like he was starting to take.

He looks a stocky bloke and Joelle88 said he had broad shoulders. Sounds like he had a very physical job. Drunk or sober I think he'd be hard to fight off if in shock. We all have to walk to places alone at night sometimes.

But yes, a sober woman might have taken the longer, better lit route or managed to scream.
 
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Please remember the pavements would have been very icy that night, that could well have made walking difficult, not necessarily all down to the booze.

And we only know where her ‘journey’ stopped. We don’t know where she intended walking to, it might have been a very logical decision on her part to go somewhere safe.
 
  • #1,328
Would you like to expand on that?
No, because I have tried before from my own uni experience and been deemed to be victim bashing.
 
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So, has he stunned her and he's dragging her? Just waving it about to make her walk?
I'm struggling to go along with this. I hadn't considered a weapon being involved at all but even considering there was, I'm not jumping straight to bolt gun or cattle prod.....
I'm just answering someone elses supposition, which is what happens on these threads to examine ideas - but no, not stunning and dragging but stunning at the car door.
 
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Would you like to expand on that?
What I will say is her friends (in her head) rejected her by carrying on their night out without her and sending her home. At that point she may well have been in the head space of any attention and chance to carry on is viable.
 
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Please remember the pavements would have been very icy that night, that could well have made walking difficult, not necessarily all down to the booze.

And we only know where her ‘journey’ stopped. We don’t know where she intended walking to, it might have been a very logical decision on her part to go somewhere safe.
Thank you. I have said this on other sites, her shoes are stable enough unless walking on icy surfaces - then they are rubbish.
 
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What I will say is her friends (in her head) rejected her by carrying on their night out without her and sending her home. At that point she may well have been in the head space of any attention and chance to carry on is viable.
You absolutely cannot decide what is in her head. Stop right now please.
 
  • #1,333
You absolutely cannot decide what is in her head. Stop right now please.
Also, her friends didn't 'send her home' - she was refused entry to a nightclub and the Bouncer put her in a taxi.
 
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I have pondered like most regarding why Libby got in his car?

I am of the belief as I mentioned previously she did not get in voluntarily. I base this on the CCTV which I think I see .. suspicious activity regarding feet movement (forwards and backwards).

Earlier I’m
Not sure who ... but a member quietude - ‘Wouldn’t there have been screams heard , if she was forced into the car.’

That got me thinking this... PR worked in a slaughter house where I supspect Stun guns like this may be used.
IMOO - If he did use this type of device or similar stun/ sedate method, it occured most probable at the side of the car as she walked down the road, heading to the UNI or elsewhere, he sprung upon her. (Link below from Wiki) Captive bolt pistol - Wikipedia

We know he was a thief, so it’s not illogical to question could he have stolen one from work, and used it to stun her, or even bought one online. (IMO)

I read the stun gun point raised much earlier in the thread. But cannot recall if his close familiarity to these things have been raised. (Forgive me of this has been.)

We don’t know that PR was involved in the slaughter part of the operation. Even if he had access to the abattoir part of the plant, Karro doesn’t use stun guns, they use a method which lowers cages of pigs into a pit filled with Carbon Dioxide which causes respiratory arrest after about 30 seconds.

Three hours from farm to chiller | Pig World
 
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I'm just answering someone elses supposition, which is what happens on these threads to examine ideas - but no, not stunning and dragging but stunning at the car door.

I understand exploring all avenues but I can't imagine this being a plausible scenario at all. JMO of course.
Have you seen the size of bolt guns and cattle prods?
Those sort of things will be signed in and signed out at every shift.
One wouldn't go missing without an investigation/lock down.
Do we even know what part of the factory he worked in? I thought I recal he was in the bacon packing part?
Production line workers wouldn't have access to the abattoir section. Are they even on the same site?
 
  • #1,336
You absolutely cannot decide what is in her head. Stop right now please.

could you also stop right now with your stun gun theory.
 
  • #1,337
Exactly. We do know that she made no attempt to approach her front door, so IF she had no keys she must have known that while she was in the taxi. In which case the obvious thing would be to ask the taxi driver to go back, and ask the doormen to send a friend out.

I don't think we know exactly where they had been drinking earlier on, but if it was a pub she might have decided to go back there. Could be there were people in there who weren't going on to the club. Or she might have decided to go and get some food.

However, she was drunk so it's difficult to know how confused she was.

Libby’s mum did say in MSN though that she believed Libby had forgotten her keys and was making her way back to friends, so this particular line of thinking may have credence
 
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However in Hull it does happen and is still happening to this day (even after his arrest). Students assuming it’s other students in the building.
Thieves follow woman home and break in as she's inside

I agree, I was just referring to house parties where imo it would be unlikely that a stranger would be able to walk in unnoticed with so many people who all know each other in the house.

I actually posted a few threads back that burglaries in student housing are very common when the students are in the house. It happened right next door to me, the students were sat downstairs in the living room whilst a burglar came in through an upstairs window and took off with three macbooks, they didn't even notice. Last year I had a downstairs bedroom in my student house and I wouldn't give a second thought if I heard footsteps upstairs as I'd think it was one of my housemates. It wouldn't surprise me if PR did something like this and entered houses that were occupied (i.e. when only a few people are in the house, not a full house party), to match the voyeuristic and risky nature of his other crimes.
 
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Also, her friends didn't 'send her home' - she was refused entry to a nightclub and the Bouncer put her in a taxi.

Her friend put her in the taxi, she has said this in MSM
 
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