Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #15 *ARREST*

[Newthoughts]

For me it's not about finding it difficult to connect PR with libby ... it's very unlikely that someone with his potential (it is still potential as not convicted yet) crimes is not involved in her death .. but the question is how?
Imo I cant jump to murder with no information..we do not know enough yet ...it could be anything from frightening her through to manslaughter or murder
At the minute we do not have the info to make an informed decision...that's why I'm still cautious

There is a good reason some past crimes are kept from jurors during a trial ..to stop people jumping to the wrong conclusion without the facts ...and that's how I see this at the moment

I'm as certain as I can be based on the little we know he is the LE suspect for good reason .. but I'm not allowing myself to go much further yet till we at least know the PM results

If there is a trial do we get to know the PM report?

If it goes to trial can her body be released for burial?

 

[Enquirer-2019]

If there is a trial do we get to know the PM report?

If it goes to trial can her body be released for burial?

I thought once the defence have a chance to carry out their own PM then she can be layed to rest?(if somone namely PR is charged). And if he pleads not guilty.

I would expect the PM results to be an essential part of the evidence at trial.

 

[JosieJo]

If there is a trial do we get to know the PM report?

If it goes to trial can her body be released for burial?

Often we hear the cause of death before trial through the inquest..but only the cause of death without detail

At trial definitely we would

The body is usually released once the defence state they do not want a second post mortem..or that has been done

 

[JosieJo]

I can't begin to imagine what Libby's family are going through but wouldn't getting justice for their daughter be a huge need for them? Wouldn't making sure that LE that every single thing they needed to get that justice be important even if it delayed a funeral?

I'm not sure how you could ever recover from what's happened to them but getting justice must be a factor in finally getting closure. And making sure they protect others from what happened to their beautiful daughter.

They are only at the beginning of their nightmare. They will have to hear what happened to their daughter. If PR is charged they'll have to sit through a defence where their daughter will be lied about and details of her life handed to him. The more LE can get on her killer the less he can do to hurt them and their memory of her.

I don't think closure will come with a funeral.

I totally agree it will be very important to them ..but if the police currently had enough to charge currently they would have or will soon ...because lots of extra evidence is still collated after charge so no reason to delay

 

[Enquirer-2019]

I totally agree it will be very important to them ..but if the police currently had enough to charge currently they would have or will soon ...because lots of extra evidence is still collated after charge so no reason to delay

I don’t understand why they have not charged him yet. Unless their still waiting on some forensics (presuming there was a hec of a lot of forensics to get through in this case.)

One reason I can think of is as @motherofdaughters poimted out they are struggling to fit the dots.

Maybe those dots could involve him having a supported Alibi for example. Because we don’t know where he told LE he was between the times in question (after the CCTV sighting on main road perhaps).

 

[Skigh]

Do not think any dots will involve PR having a supported alibi.
I think cctv will have evidence of his car movements.
Apart from his wife who would he have been with to provide him with an alibi?

 

[bos]

For me it's not about finding it difficult to connect PR with libby ... it's very unlikely that someone with his potential (it is still potential as not convicted yet) crimes is not involved in her death .. but the question is how?
Imo I cant jump to murder with no information..we do not know enough yet ...it could be anything from frightening her through to manslaughter or murder
At the minute we

 

[Lincoln34]

I'm with you at the minute... I believe he took her in the car .. I believe its very likely he was the "cause" of her death ..but until post mortem results known I cant automatically jump to murder or manslaughter by physical harm yet

Yes they can take their time to get a water tight case which is only right ...but it also has to be considered that the Coroner has a duty to releasea body asap to the relatives ..and the process of charging etc not even started..but the fact that it's been 2 weeks now since she was found worries me ..yes I know some tests take a while ...I dont think they have any smoking gun yet

 

[Lincoln34]

See Coroners | The Crown Prosecution Service . If imminent arrest unlikely then coroner will order a second post mortem in some circumstances to allow release to family.

 

[Enquirer-2019]

Do not think any dots will involve PR having a supported alibi.
I think cctv will have evidence of his car movements.
Apart from his wife who would he have been with to provide him with an alibi?

What would you suggest the missing dots could be Skigh?

 

[Skigh]

Do you mean why is it PR has not yet been charged?
If so I have posted my opinions before ,saying I think they could possibly still be waiting for some key forensic results.
Not all tests can be done overnight.

 

[Newthoughts]

Do you mean why is it PR has not yet been charged?
If so I have posted my opinions before ,saying I think they could possibly still be waiting for some key forensic results.
Not all tests can be done overnight.

I agree that I think there must be a hell of a lot of forensics. They took away loads of stuff from his house, the park and even the alley behind his house.

Plus stuff from him and his car to be compared with what they can determine from where Libbys body could have been deposited for starters. That's before you get to cause of death.

We also don't know how far back they are going with CCTV, ANPR, phone records, what is on his computer or liasing with other police forces here or in Poland.

We don't know know if they're checking people he could have sold 'normal' stolen goods to.

We don't know if they're examining other possible offences in more detail in case they show a pattern that links to what happened to Libby (lots of people have expressed surprise he hadn't been charged with more).

We don't know if Libby was his first attempt at grabbing someone or whether he'd tried before and failed for some reason (inconvenient passers by for example). And whether the police had witnesses.

We do know that when she was found they said potential homicide but by the inquest it was homicide. We do knew that reports about other incidents have disappeared from sm and msm. Such as fake taxi and man on bike. We do knew his part history makes him disturbing.

So let's hope they have the dots they need they just need join them up to get the fullest picture

 

[Vermont24]

I agree that I think there must be a hell of a lot of forensics. They took away loads of stuff from his house, the park and even the alley behind his house.

Plus stuff from him and his car to be compared with what they can determine from where Libbys body could have been deposited for starters. That's before you get to cause of death.

We also don't know how far back they are going with CCTV, ANPR, phone records, what is on his computer or liasing with other police forces here or in Poland.

We don't know know if they're checking people he could have sold 'normal' stolen goods to.

We don't know if they're examining other possible offences in more detail in case they show a pattern that links to what happened to Libby (lots of people have expressed surprise he hadn't been charged with more).

We don't know if Libby was his first attempt at grabbing someone or whether he'd tried before and failed for some reason (inconvenient passers by for example). And whether the police had witnesses.

We do know that when she was found they said potential homicide but by the inquest it was homicide. We do knew that reports about other incidents have disappeared from sm and msm. Such as fake taxi and man on bike. We do knew his part history makes him disturbing.

So let's hope they have the dots they need they just need join them up to get the fullest picture

Really good post. I think that's about as clear a synopsis as we're going to get right now.

 

[bos]

You also have to remember that CPS have to anticipate any defence.

Even if you accept PR took LS to the park and that the PM suggests death occurred prior to entering the water, what have you got that points to PR as being the person who killed her beyond all reasonable doubt? CCTV released by the police shows other people in the vicinity of ORPF in the early hours who haven’t come forward. If PR claims LS was upset because he rejected her advances and refused to leave the park with him; how can you prove that not to be the case and that she died at the hands of someone else?

 

[Newthoughts]

You also have to remember that CPS have to anticipate any defence.

Even if you accept PR took LS to the park and that the PM suggests death occurred prior to entering the water, what have you got that points to PR as being the person who killed her beyond all reasonable doubt? CCTV released by the police shows other people in the vicinity of ORPF in the early hours who haven’t come forward. If PR claims LS was upset because he rejected her advances and refused to leave the park with him; how can you prove that not to be the case and that she died at the hands of someone else?

Beyond all reasonable doubt not 100 % certainty convicted Levi Belfield of Milly Dowlers murder with no forensics at all. Only her remains were found.

Admittedly that led to her parents being put through absolute hell by his defence and Belfield getting his grubby paws on things like Milly's diary and school books. But it convicted him.

The liklihood of him rejecting her defences. The liklihood of 2 creeps in the park etc

 

[Skigh]

Milly's parents were put through hell as for a long time the police were convinced her father was guilty.

 

[Newthoughts]

Milly's parents were put through hell as for a long time the police were convinced her father was guilty.

Yep and the constant hounding by the gutter press. I watched them giving evidence at the Leveson enquiry and realised it was actually possible to hate Rupert Murdoch and his employees more than I already did.

 

[Enquirer-2019]

Do you mean why is it PR has not yet been charged?
If so I have posted my opinions before ,saying I think they could possibly still be waiting for some key forensic results.
Not all tests can be done overnight.

Thankyou for your reply.

 

[Enquirer-2019]

Beyond all reasonable doubt not 100 % certainty convicted Levi Belfield of Milly Dowlers murder with no forensics at all. Only her remains were found.

Admittedly that led to her parents being put through absolute hell by his defence and Belfield getting his grubby paws on things like Milly's diary and school books. But it convicted him.

The liklihood of him rejecting her defences. The liklihood of 2 creeps in the park etc

I like your thoughts here, it ties together in my mind with a members post yesterday regarding - ‘Forensics still could be obtained following a charge.

And so I don’t think this is why he hasn’t been charged yet personally.

 

[Vermont24]

Libby Squire to be honoured with annual award for next 21 years

The University of Hull will hand out an annual "Libby Squire Recognition Award" for the next 21 years to honour the late student.