Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #17 *ARREST*

[Vermont24]

There'll be live updates via the Hull Daily Mail website today.

 

[jamjim]

Live as Pawel Relowicz in court for rape and murder of Libby Squire

 

[jamjim]

Happy to post updates today if anyone would like me to

 

[Newthoughts]

Happy to post updates today if anyone would like me to

Yes please

 

[jamjim]

"09:35
Hearing set for 3pm
Pawel Relowicz is expected to appear at Hull Magistrates’ Court at 3pm via videolink."

Pawel Relowicz in court for rape and murder of Libby Squire - live

 

[jamjim]

See you all at 3pm!

 

[JosieJo]

I'm intrigued by why you and @JosieJo doubt it's murder? I wholly agree we're not party to the evidence so we can't make the sorts of informed decisions the jury will have to make. All of our opinions could change. But from what little we know, I can't think of anything in his previous crimes suggest an individual that panics. Nor am I sure how manslaughter charge would play out?.

His guilty plea in August meant we only heard a fraction of what the judge had access to. That alone was quite chilling. But we do know the judge specifically stated in his summing up that PR was "Potentially a very dangerous individual".

We were all surprised by the 8 1/2 year sentence which seemed to rest on "principate of totality' suggesting to me that the judge thought the crimes serious enough to warrant being served consecutively. I don't know how rare that is but up to that point I'd assumed all sentences tried at the same point were served concurrently and I recall lots of people here had expected the same. Something must have been behind that decision.

We also know the judge threw out the defence plea that the crimes were opportunistic and specifically stated in his sentencing address that they were "planned, not on the spur of the moment".

We also know there must have been ample opportunities between spotting Libby and the end of that awful night where PR could have thought about what was happening and changed his mind. He could easily have committed his usual crime at the spot where he saw Libby. Leaving her terrified but physically unharmed. Ditto in his car and then left her unharmed.

This bit feels most horrible to say but he was bulky and strong - overpowering someone wouldn't have been a problem. Lots of rapists don't kill their victims because they don't need to to commit that crime. Surely that negates his one manslaughter chance.

And like everyone else I hate saying all of these things because of his victim. She had her while life ahead of her.

At the moment we really don't know

For me it's not about doubting murder it's about not making any presumptions (no matter how likely) until I hear the evidence myself

As time as gone on and we have heard about past convictions and now we have a charge from the CPS ..which does sway me towards murder now.

Before the charge ..for me anyway I wasn't going to presume he had escalated or planned this without the evidence..I cant presume anything no matter how likely

I'm not 100% sure how manslaughter would pan out now .. but I think if he gives a partial confession of her death but gives a different version of events ..such as she got away from him and ran in the water the prosecution would have to prove that didn't happen

 

[LillyGrace]

Following this case & this thread. Followed since the very beginning - I was one of the few people who didn’t think PR was guilty. Looking back now, I’m not sure why I ever felt that way. This is a harrowing case that has gripped the hearts of the nation. I had my suspicions from day one that Libby would be found in the water, however I didn’t think foulplay was involved until now.

Looking forward to seeing the details of the case as they emerge.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Anyone from here in court today?

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Following this case & this thread. Followed since the very beginning - I was one of the few people who didn’t think PR was guilty. Looking back now, I’m not sure why I ever felt that way. This is a harrowing case that has gripped the hearts of the nation. I had my suspicions from day one that Libby would be found in the water, however I didn’t think foulplay was involved until now.

Looking forward to seeing the details of the case as they emerge.

We are/were of a similar mind, then! I just didn't seen how he could have gone from pervy things to murder. I am obviously wrong. Interested to hear now how he will plead. Obviously guilty is the best option and spares her family a trial, but at the same time, in that case we don't get all the bare facts as a trial brings up.

 

[jamjim]

14:11
Case listed for 2.30pm
Pawel Relowicz will appear in court at 2.30pm.

Pawel Relowicz will appear in Court 2 at Hull Magistrates’ Court at 2.30pm.

Kate Fairburn will be prosecuting and Bill Waddington will appear for the defence.

Pawel Relowicz in court for rape and murder of Libby Squire - live

 

[jamjim]

14:16
Court room is almost full
The public gallery nearly full with reporters, police and a court artist present.

Mr Relowicz is due to appear via a video link.

Pawel Relowicz in court for rape and murder of Libby Squire - live

 

[motherofdaughters]

For me I just don't feel that he went out with the intent to kill that night and ultimately that's what will need to be proved. I think he went out to flash/masturbate and saw an oppertunity and took it.
I think Rape will be based on the fact she was inebriated and he will say she agreed, then say she panicked and he killed her by accident.

If he is guilty of any of the above, I hope they can convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt.

There's someone on a SM page claiming she has vital evidence that is not being listened to.
I obviously cannot link it here but for once I hope she's just a village crazy and they genuinely have got their man.

 

[jamjim]

14:30
Case is called on
Mr Relowicz has appeared on screen in courtroom 2.

Only his upper half is visible. He is wearing silver-rimmed glasses and a grey T-shirt. He is clean shaven.

 

[jamjim]

14:32
Interpreter was sworn this morning

 

[jamjim]

14:33
Mr Relowicz confirms name
He has confirmed his date of birth and has confirmed his nationality as Polish.

He is now being shown the courtroom and public gallery.

 

[jamjim]

14:45
Charges read to Mr Relowicz
The charges are being read to him by the court clerk.

She said of the first charge: “That on February 1 at Hull you murdered Liberty Squire.’

The second charge is one of rape in Hull between January 31 and February 2.

 

[jamjim]

14:48
He must appear before the Crown Court within 48 hours
“These are matters which can only be dealt with at the Crown court,” Relowicz was told.

The prosecutor said because of the murder charge Relowicz must appear before a Crown court within 48 hours. Relowicz was remanded in custody and is to to appear at a Hull Crown Court at 10am tomorrow. He was not asked to indicate any pleas.

 

[Kelumbo]

The dates for the rape charges are weird

 

[Kelumbo]

I didn’t go to court because It was via video link, but I might go tomorrow