Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #17 *ARREST*

[Oulton]

1 minute 42 seconds is the time he spends out of shot before he returns and puts Libby in the car. That’s enough time for pre planning or a conversation. The fact that he locks his car as he leaves suggests to me he may have initially had the impulse to just follow her home fiddling as that is what he has done to other women in his convicted crimes but given the vulnerable state she was in he had time to think and up his game plan.

 

[Oulton]

And in the itv report it states she was at the bench for around 30 minutes, PR was there for 20 in total, and Libby was gone by 12.09 so that gives an overlap of him seeing her there at around 11.49. 6 minutes before he goes back to the car when the cyclist and car interrupt him. 6 minutes is a long time to watch someone and think.

 

[Newthoughts]

I’ve watched it again. I think he was doing his usual, when he was *interrupted* by a passing cyclist ( hence the panicky unlocking of the car as the locks flash several times) and passing car, he quickly gets his tobacco out of his pocket as a ‘I’m just sitting her having a , nothing to see here’ sits in car and then when the cyclist and car have gone past and the coast is clear, he goes back to what he was doing before. He’s seen that Libby is vulnerable and offers to walk her just round the corner to her house, but as they approach the car he says to get in be easier, warmer. She hesitates, that why she appears to head back on her feet but it all happens in a couple of seconds, she’s in the car and off they go.

The walk to her house would be in the opposite direction hence not bringing him back past the car. Walking there would probably be quicker than driving cos because it's actually a dead end - you can walk to where she is in seconds but not drive.


To drive her home you'd have turn back onto Cottingham and, initially driving away from her home, turn back into the road where she was sitting but further down. Which would mean she wouldn't necessarily have noticed he wasn't taking her home straight away.

I don't know where he'd go after that to get to the park. Whether via her street or not.

I agree with you about the offer of a warm lift or the claim to be a taxi driver. She must have been freezing by then, plus drunk. Very easily conned.

I also wonder if he employed a bit of assertive 'I know what's best' coercion rather than actual force which might have made her scream. Might explain anything that looked like uncertain, confused reluctance rather than struggling. That's just an opinion though

He'd already offended in her street which is very close to where he'd parked. His house is also minutes from where he'd parked but in the opposite direction. Straight through drive blocked by the dead end. Even though it's not a long detour but I'm still not in agreement with idea he'd seen her and parked.

There was no mention of his car at his sentencing. So I wonder did he park there on his way to a bit of offending once students started to return? Did he park there on the 20th before his Wellesley wank? Or did someone else see her and tell him to get there.

 

[Oulton]

I believe PR must have spoken to LE during his imterviews as he did give an account for the wellesley ave incident, that he urinated on the door, AFTER having had sex with his wife. I certainly read that after the sentancing.

Imagine being that deluded that you actually believe the police would that believe that ridiculous lie! He is a very dangerous man.

 

[Oulton]

The walk to her house would be in the opposite direction hence not bringing him back past the car. Walking there would probably be quicker than driving cos because it's actually a dead end - you can walk to where she is in seconds but not drive.


To drive her home you'd have turn back onto Cottingham and, initially driving away from her home, turn back into the road where she was sitting but further down. Which would mean she wouldn't necessarily have noticed he wasn't taking her home straight away.

I don't know where he'd go after that to get to the park. Whether via her street or not.

I agree with you about the offer of a warm lift or the claim to be a taxi driver. She must have been freezing by then, plus drunk. Very easily conned.

I also wonder if he employed a bit of assertive 'I know what's best' coercion rather than actual force which might have made her scream. Might explain anything that looked like uncertain, confused reluctance rather than struggling. That's just an opinion though

He'd already offended in her street which is very close to where he'd parked. His house is also minutes from where he'd parked but in the opposite direction. Straight through drive blocked by the dead end. Even though it's not a long detour but I'm still not in agreement with idea he'd seen her and parked.

There was no mention of his car at his sentencing. So I wonder did he park there on his way to a bit of offending once students started to return? Did he park there on the 20th before his Wellesley wank? Or did someone else see her and tell him to get there.

Beresford Ave goes past Wellesley Rd out straight on towards Oak Rd playing fields.

 

[DiploRed]

The walk to her house would be in the opposite direction hence not bringing him back past the car. Walking there would probably be quicker than driving cos because it's actually a dead end - you can walk to where she is in seconds but not drive.


To drive her home you'd have turn back onto Cottingham and, initially driving away from her home, turn back into the road where she was sitting but further down. Which would mean she wouldn't necessarily have noticed he wasn't taking her home straight away.

I don't know where he'd go after that to get to the park. Whether via her street or not.

I agree with you about the offer of a warm lift or the claim to be a taxi driver. She must have been freezing by then, plus drunk. Very easily conned.

I also wonder if he employed a bit of assertive 'I know what's best' coercion rather than actual force which might have made her scream. Might explain anything that looked like uncertain, confused reluctance rather than struggling. That's just an opinion though

He'd already offended in her street which is very close to where he'd parked. His house is also minutes from where he'd parked but in the opposite direction. Straight through drive blocked by the dead end. Even though it's not a long detour but I'm still not in agreement with idea he'd seen her and parked.

There was no mention of his car at his sentencing. So I wonder did he park there on his way to a bit of offending once students started to return? Did he park there on the 20th before his Wellesley wank? Or did someone else see her and tell him to get there.

As soon as he turns into Cottingham Road, he is on the way to her house. On Beverley Road he has two options, turn right into Beresford then take a left down there on to Wellesley. Or he could weirdly go further down Beverley road and take a right onto Wellesley. That is assuming neither of those streets are one way only, I can't remember.

So in this scenario, she'd know something is wrong when he goes straight by her street and keeps going to the end of Beresford avenue.

 

[Newthoughts]

As soon as he turns into Cottingham Road, he is on the way to her house. On Beverley Road he has two options, turn right into Beresford then take a left down there on to Wellesley. Or he could weirdly go further down Beverley road and take a right onto Wellesley. That is assuming neither of those streets are one way only, I can't remember.

So in this scenario, she'd know something is wrong when he goes straight by her street and keeps going to the end of Beresford avenue.

Thanks. That's explained a lot.

From his house to Haworth there is no reason to go into Beverley road? Though it wouldn't be a huge detour. Straight down Newlands, onto Cottingham and very quickly onto Haworth? Turn car round for quick exit.

Quick walk then from there to Wellesley and you can leave as much DNA as you like cos they're not going to get you unless you're already on file but nobody gets your car reg which leads straight to you?

 

[DiploRed]

Thanks. That's explained a lot.

From his house to Haworth there is no reason to go into Beverley road? Though it wouldn't be a huge detour. Straight down Newlands, onto Cottingham and very quickly onto Haworth? Turn car round for quick exit.

Quick walk then from there to Wellesley and you can leave as much DNA as you like cos they're not going to get you unless you're already on file but nobody gets your car reg which leads straight to you?

No, there is no reason to go onto Beverley road from his house to Haworth.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

1 minute 42 seconds is the time he spends out of shot before he returns and puts Libby in the car. That’s enough time for pre planning or a conversation. The fact that he locks his car as he leaves suggests to me he may have initially had the impulse to just follow her home fiddling as that is what he has done to other women in his convicted crimes but given the vulnerable state she was in he had time to think and up his game plan.

Has that been conclusively proven though it is him, his car, and her? I thought it was still more supposition, at least what has been revealed?

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Police brought the man in for questioning on Wednesday (21 August), and held him for 24 hours but later released him under investigation. This means that a decision still has to be made as to whether or not they can charge him for Libby's murder.

Detective Superintendent Martin Smalley said in a statement "The investigation is very much live and continuing."

A huge-scale investigation began soon after, and the same man that has been in police custody this week was arrested early on, on suspicion of her abduction. Police combed his home, sealing off the two-bed and towing away his car. He was then questioned for 96 hours before being released under investigation.

The arrest earlier this week marks the second time the man has been brought into police custody for a crime related to Libby Squire's disappearance.

"The majority of the additional analysis stage is now complete, with a small number still pending final results. A file is being prepared for the Crown Prosecution Service as the investigation progresses."
What happened to murdered student, Libby Squire?

This sounds like they know it is him, but only have circumstantial evidence and are trying to build a strong enough case that will stand up to the CPS, who will no doubt have then to decide if what the prosecution has will stand up beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[Oulton]

Has that been conclusively proven though it is him, his car, and her? I thought it was still more supposition, at least what has been revealed?

IMO and possibly others here but not confirmed in MSM.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

While we are quiet-ish here, can I draw new eyes, minds and thoughts to this case. Only 4 pages in so not too hard to catch the drift on. A case where you may be able to glean some facts, but a lot more is known but for WS reasons cannot be publicly stated.

LA - LA - Jessica Easterly Durning, 43, New Orleans, 14 August 2019

 

[Winterbells]

Just googled 'is there semen in urine?'. Quite enlightening. If he'd already masturbated outside the students' house and then 'wee-d' on their door, there could be semen in his urine. In other words he didn't need to tell the story about having earlier had sex with his wife if he'd owned up to masturbating earlier, but I guess his lawyer was trying to minimise PR's actions, hence the presence of post-sex semen on the door.
Revolting and despicable how he tries to make out how loving and faithful he is to his wife. Poor woman. What a life she must have had with him.

 

[Via Marple]

The sick marker Pawel Relowicz left to taunt his victims

Thanks for your eagle eye!

Something else in that article:

This was, however, disputed by a scientist.

so much for trying to outsmart police with a cunning lie.

 

[Newthoughts]

This sounds like they know it is him, but only have circumstantial evidence and are trying to build a strong enough case that will stand up to the CPS, who will no doubt have then to decide if what the prosecution has will stand up beyond reasonable doubt.

They seem to suggest they've done a lot of specialist tests so I hope so. If search experts and phone data put him where Libby's body has been that should hopefully be compelling.

 

[Oulton]

CCTV in the surrounding areas may well show his pattern of movements over the weeks leading up to Libby’s disappearance (if they have collected it for other crimes that he has since been convicted of).That would take a lot of time to trawl through. It would be interesting to see if spidercam had caught him before perhaps pre-spider.

 

[porkypies]

I too wonder how someone who has needed a translator throughout his hearings and questionings, could expect to converse both on a roadside bench and inside his car with a drunken upset young girl and come to an agreement with her about taking her home, I would have thought PR to be the least likely person to be able to help anyone in such a case, unless they too spoke Polish.
As to Libby running away from him at any stage, again in her state she would stand no chance at all, I do not believe for one minute that she would have been able to outrun a young man like him under any circumstances, let alone on uneven ground in a pitch dark park, or up a river embankment.

 

[Audiohoney]

Has that been conclusively proven though it is him, his car, and her? I thought it was still more supposition, at least what has been revealed?

In the early days of these threads there was an incredibly knowledgable guy called Nick. He was a car salesman. His very exacting knowledge of specific car models based on their year of manufacture was quite outstanding. In fact at one stage I believe he was encouraged to contact police and offer to help the investigation. I think they might have taken him up on it. I’m sure he said they were certainly interested. He unwaveringly believed the car in spider cam to be the exact same model as PRs - and if I remember rightly I think the model was quite rare. He also understood the locking mechanism and associated light sequence.

I believe that’s him, that’s his car and tragically that’s Libby. In light of what we now know about his late night behaviour, I think it’s possibly been a favourite parking spot for a while. I don’t think he set out to escalate his behaviour that night, but I do think the opportunity was just too tempting to resist.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I too wonder how someone who has needed a translator throughout his hearings <snipped>.

The translator is as much about protecting police and the courts - making sure everything is procedurally correct and there is no possible comeback of him saying he misunderstood something

Hi English might not be perfect but he has lived and worked here long enough to have a conversation.

 

[Newthoughts]

Has that been conclusively proven though it is him, his car, and her? I thought it was still more supposition, at least what has been revealed?

In addition to what @Audiohoney has said about the car @Joelle88 saw him at his earliest court appearances and was pretty certain the person in spidercam was him. She posted a comparison between images on spidercam and photos of him in the public domain, eg his wedding day, his stance and his way of sitting were the same. She also mentioned she also mentioned his gait.

Interestingly she didn't think any of the 4 potential witnesses in the Oak Road footage were him.

Then there is the fact the footage was shown by 'safe' reputable TV company with reputable journalists who would have undoubtedly checked with police before showing it. They wouldn't risk being sued by showing an totally innocent and unconnected event. They've edited which I'm sure was at the behest of the police.

ITV haven't shown any updates saying the person shown has now come forward. We were told straight away that greybeard had come forward and was not a suspect. I'd expect a totally innocent person would have done that straight away and been fuming about the implications

Libby was disappears at the same time as spidercam finishes. She had to disappear somewhere.

I think it's as closer to conclusively proven as you can get. Sadly.