UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #22

[Lyall0814]

Haha, no! I'm not a crime fan in general (although I have just binged Unforgotten and I loved it) I am only here as I am interested in this case as I am local (literally live 5 mins away from PRs house in one direction and 5 mins from Libby's bench in the other) and wanted to learn more about it.

I have found this forum fascinating -so thanks everyone.

What's your impression about what people in your area are thinking about the trial. Have they been following it? Is there much sympathy for PR?

 

[jamjim]

11:42
Directions now on murder charge

Justice Lamber tells the jury murder is when someone kills another person with the intention to kill or seriously harm that person.

She tells them Relowicz is guilty if he subjected Libby Squire to an unlawful act, like an attack, that caused her death and that he intended to kill her or cause her serious harm.

Justice Lambert says the prosecution allege that during the course of raping her, or after, that he assaulted her which caused her death or that he put her into the river while she was dying or still alive which caused her death.

Libby Squire murder trial live updates as Relowicz defence concludes

 

[Skigh]

11:17
Witness saw Libby 'sat on the floor crying'

The two statements are being read out by Dale Brook. It is the evidence of Ryan Thom.

The first statement was made on February 26, 2019. It was made after Mr Thom saw an article in the Hull Daily Mail that Libby was missing.

He was heading home along Beverley Road at 11.30pm on January 31.

He said: “On my way home I decided to call into my brother’s for no longer than a couple of minutes. I walked out onto Beverley Road, towards the junction on Clough Road. I was on the pavement on the opposite side to the Haworth pub.

“It was quite busy and there were cars around. It was dark, frosty and cold. While I walked along I was on my phone to my ex when I heard a female screaming. I looked across the road and saw a female sat on the floor crying."

“She was on her own leaning on a wall. There was a bench around two feet around and a bus stop around 15 feet away. She was rocking forwards and backwards. She was clearly upset, crying and screaming continuously. My ex told me not to get involved so I carried on walking.

Mr Thom said he didn't see anyone talk to her.

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Was this after she crossed the road and a bus drove straight passed her? If so, perhaps she was angry the bus did not stop.

 

[mrazda71]

No, but just a bit of extra information - I remember reading that Libby was also upset about a housemate that was leaving. I'll see if I can find the quote.

I remember that ... and I wonder if that could be the housemate that was at home that evening and maybe Libby was reluctant to go home because she was avoiding them MOI

 

[Officer Dibble]

I understand why one might be crying in the street following the events that evening (drinking alcohol, being refused entry, losing your key, getting confused and disorientated) but continuously screaming sounds very bizarre. Does anyone else have any insights?

I'm confused at which point in the evening this is. Is it before PR is first on the scene or afterwards? Or after the group of men in the car?

 

[Tortoise]

I did see that quote @Tortoise I think it was a member of the student household she went inside. I also saw the quote from the taxi driver saying she was upset about some chap and called that someone a c***. So she obviously had been upset earlier in the evening before she got disorientated, if not before she went out that night.

I've found the quote

“I was joined by my two housemates. All three tried to speak to her to see if she needed help, if she had any friends we could call. She looked disorientated but had no visible injuries. We did not establish her name despite asking, or her address. What we were able to establish was that she was upset about her friend moving out."

Libby Squire - the tragic evidence of those who tried to help her

 

[Sera]

Two years ago today, in the early hours of February 1st 2019, Libby's family and friends discovered that she was missing. At the time, they had no idea of the terrible things that had happened to her and hoped, like we all did, that she would turn up safe and sound. Two years ago today, the lives of everyone who knew and loved Libby were changed forever.

This trial has clearly been stressful for all of us here on WS. Let's take a moment to think about how unimaginably stressful the last few weeks must have been for those who were close to Libby. Let's try and keep today's discussion about the trial respectful, in case any of Libby's loved ones are reading.

No matter whether you believe Pawel to be innocent or guilty, of one crime or both, the fact remains that everyone reading this post, on this forum, is doing so because they are here for Libby.

Today is significant, there is no denying that by any of us. Two years since this case began, potentially the end of this trial, at least the end of the evidence for this trial. No matter the outcome, let's not let this thread descend into bickering or squabbling. Let's remember why we're here and how Libby's loved ones must be feeling today.

We remember you, Libby. We're all here because of you. <3

 

[jamjim]

11:49
What constitutes murder

Justice Lamber tells the jury they must decide whether Relowicz firstly assaulted Libby which causd her death and secondly where there was intent.

The judge said: “As alleged by the prosecution, that he assaulted her while raping her or he asphyxiated her or put her into the river by dragging her into the river whether she was conscious or not.”

The judge says if the assault contributed to Libby’s death then he would have caused her death and the verdict will be guilty.

She said if the jury find that Libby was assaulted by someone else or fell into the river or put herself into the river in an act of self harm, then Relowicz would not be guilty of murder.

The jury have then been told: “You must then go on to find whether Relowicz intended to kill Libby or cause her serious harm.

“You, the jury, have to decide what the intention was, the nature of the acts themselves, the situation and circumstance of the victim and what the defendant said afterwards.

"Then ask yourself, ‘are we sure that at the time he assaulted Libby Squire therefore causing her death, he intended for her to be caused really serious harm?'.”

Libby Squire murder trial live updates as Relowicz defence concludes

 

[jamjim]

11:52
Exactly two years since Libby vanished

Prosecution barrister Richard Wright is now delivering his closing speech amd reminding the jury it is now exactly two years since Libby disappeared

He said: “Yesterday evening as your minds perhaps turned to another week in court you may have also reflected on the fact is was two years earlier that Libby Squire had been at home with friends getting ready for what was to be her last ever night out.

“It was exactly two years earlier she left her accommodation on Wellesley Avenue to go on a typical student night out with those friends.

“Two years ago today probably at this very moment her friends and family were searching for her as she had vanished as if into thin air."

Libby Squire murder trial live updates as Relowicz defence concludes

 

[Sally4x]

Two years ago today, in the early hours of February 1st 2019, Libby's family and friends discovered that she was missing. At the time, they had no idea of the terrible things that had happened to her and hoped, like we all did, that she would turn up safe and sound. Two years ago today, the lives of everyone who knew and loved Libby were changed forever.

This trial has clearly been stressful for all of us here on WS. Let's take a moment to think about how unimaginably stressful the last few weeks must have been for those who were close to Libby. Let's try and keep today's discussion about the trial respectful, in case any of Libby's loved ones are reading.

No matter whether you believe Pawel to be innocent or guilty, of one crime or both, the fact remains that everyone reading this post, on this forum, is doing so because they are here for Libby.

Today is significant, there is no denying that by any of us. Two years since this case began, potentially the end of this trial, at least the end of the evidence for this trial. No matter the outcome, let's not let this thread descend into bickering or squabbling. Let's remember why we're here and how Libby's loved ones must be feeling today.

We remember you, Libby. We're all here because of you. <3

This is one of the times I wish there was a love button on here as well as a like one. I totally second this. There have been a lot of comments lately that haven’t been respectful and a lot of bickering. I joined this forum because of Libby and she is in my thoughts most days and especially so today. Please remember she is the victim and lost her life two years ago today. My thoughts are with her family and friends and especially her mum and dad who have sat through the trial. I will never forget you Libby.

 

[jamjim]

11:55
Libby was 'in the best place'

Mr Wright said: “This was a girl who had undoubtedly had troubles in the past but who since leaving home to attend the University of Hull had been as her mother and boyfriend saw it in the best place she had been in a long time.

Libby Squire murder trial live updates as Relowicz defence concludes

 

[CoverMeCagney]

11:42


She tells them Relowicz is guilty if he subjected Libby Squire to an unlawful act, like an attack, that caused her death and that he intended to kill her or cause her serious harm.

Libby Squire murder trial live updates as Relowicz defence concludes

BBM. Based on this I think I could find him guilty of murder.

- He did subject her to an unlawful act that caused her death

- He intended to cause her serious harm

He attacked and then left a half dressed drunk girl in a freezing park in the middle of the night.

 

[jamjim]

11:57
Libby was not suicidal that night

Mr Wright insists there is niothing to suggest Libby wanted to harm herself that night.

He says: “That had been her mood at the party. She was in good spirits, not in any way depressed and certainly not suicidal. Sadly, as many of the student population of Hull want to do from time to time, she had too much to drink.

“When that cold air hit her, she was very drunk. So much so the doormen would not let her enter the premises. Her friends did not abandon her, they did the sensible thing and put her into a taxi and told the driver to take her home.

“They hadn’t left her and she hadn’t argued with her boyfriend. What she had done was get drunk and very cold and very upset.

“When she left her house she left behind any prospect of getting into her own home as she dropped her house keys in their garden. On she walked, a short walk to a brightly lit and busy street on the corner of Haworth Street.

“That’s where she stayed, asking for her mum. Not wandering off across open fields into the dark she hated so much, not trying to throw herself into passing traffic. Just sat upset and crying."

Libby Squire murder trial live updates as Relowicz defence concludes

 

[jamjim]

11:59
People will 'wish they had done more'

Mr Wright continued: “People saw her and they included good men like Roland Jacobs who told his friend to stop. True it is, that none of them thought to call the police but hindsight is a wonderful thing but all of them now wish they had done more.

“The sad truth is drunken students is ten a penny on a night out and drunken upset girls are often assumed to have had arguments with their boyfriends.

"None who saw her could not have known just what danger she was in that night."

Libby Squire murder trial live updates as Relowicz defence concludes

 

[Skigh]

I'm confused at which point in the evening this is. Is it before PR is first on the scene or afterwards? Or after the group of men in the car?

The witness reported he was heading home along Beverley Road at 11.30pm on January 31.

So I think before PR was on the scene.

 

[Officer Dibble]

BBM. Based on this I think I could find him guilty of murder.

- He did subject her to an unlawful act that caused her death

- He intended to cause her serious harm

He attacked and then left a half dressed drunk girl in a freezing park in the middle of the night.

Agree

 

[jamjim]

12:01
Relowicz looking for 'easy sex'

Mr Wright outlines how he beleives Relowicz came in contact with Libby.

He said: “He [Relowicz] had been looking for, as he put it, an ‘attractive young woman’ to satisfy his problem or as that was in reality, to satisfy his sexual urges. He wanted, he told you, an opportunity for easy sex.

“There we say he found it. Sitting by pure chance on the pavement but a few feet away from his car. An opportunity. He crossed the road to observe and check she was alone and there wasn’t a boyfriend a bit further up the street. There she started to stumble up the road, he hugged the shadows until the very moment she stepped out of the light.

“At that very point he crosses the road and intercepted her. We say you can be sure he hasn’t given you a truthful account."

Libby Squire murder trial live updates as Relowicz defence concludes

 

[Lyall0814]

Not much doubt about what the judge thinks I reckon.

 

[tigerowl]

What's your impression about what people in your area are thinking about the trial. Have they been following it? Is there much sympathy for PR?

Due to lockdown I haven't actually spoken to many people about it. What is interesting is that my two friends and I who both know the park well do not think the time line is possible even taking various things into account. And don't think he killed her.

However, my boyfriend who has lived all his life in Hull yet never set foot in that park is adamant that he did do it and the time lines work. We spent about an hour arguing over Google maps and the pics provided

 

[Officer Dibble]

11:57
Libby was not suicidal that night
“When she left her house she left behind any prospect of getting into her own home as she dropped her house keys in their garden. On she walked, a short walk to a brightly lit and busy street on the corner of Haworth Street.

“That’s where she stayed, asking for her mum. Not wandering off across open fields into the dark she hated so much, not trying to throw herself into passing traffic. Just sat upset and crying."

SBM This is a very good point to mention to the jury. JMO