UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #22

[ChiCubs2016]

Would he have expected her body not to be discovered in the river?

That's quite the distance over a meandering stretch and through the city, before it opens into the Humber.

I do not think it is too far fetched for him to think this. After all, she was found IMO by a miracle. Not too much longer and poor Libby would not have been found. MOO

 

[Thelastleg]

SA and the other 2 witnesses say there was 'a pattern' to the screams, the intermittent breaks in between. I've been trying to work out the explanation for the breaks and what was happening in between to poor Libby (if it was her)? Although my mind doesn't really want to go there...to me, the breaks implies she was not alone perhaps?

I'm not criticising or dismissing your post but just wanted to share what I made of this. I thought that if it was Libby, she was alone, otherwise PW would have silenced her immediately once she started to scream. I feel that it was a calculated cry for help. She no doubt was weak at this stage from cold, alcohol and fear. If she had fallen, or left on the muddy river bank she may have been unable to get herself back to safety. She tried to conserve her strength between screams but unfortunately she ran out of energy to save herself. On the other hand it may not have been Libby

 

[Skigh]

Polish butcher, 26, raped and murdered student Libby Squire, 21, for 'easy sex', court hears | Daily Mail Online

 

[Joolz1975]

I do not think it is too far fetched for him to think this. After all, she was found IMO by a miracle. Not too much longer and poor Libby would not have been found. MOO

I think even if found he didn't expect any forensic evidence linking him.

 

[tedtink]

Would he have expected her body not to be discovered in the river?

That's quite the distance over a meandering stretch and through the city, before it opens into the Humber.

It was an expedient and convenient way to dump her body.
Carrying back to the car would mean more DNA evidence, finding another way to dispose (burial) or dump further afield would take longer and risk being caught on more CCTV or leave more clues.
JMO

 

[Ruthbullock]

I have just had a thought about the man witnessed by SA leaving the park hurriedly after the last screams. Where did this man go when leaving the park? If he was on foot CCTV cameras must have picked him up on one of the roads leading from the entrance to the park. Nothing was mentioned of any sightings. If he got into a car the car would be seen leaving. If the only car seen leaving from outside the park was PRs then unless the observed man vanished into thin air unseen on any CCTV the man must have got into PRs car and therefore be PR!

That’s not quite true, we know at least one car was spotted on cctv coming from that direction onto Beverley road around the same time as it was on the CCTV, chances are there were others as well.

 

[Tortoise]

But maybe he invented the knickers story to his mates to explain why he would have touched her knickers, if they were found.

I'm not sure we've got the full picture yet (or ever will).

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

But maybe he invented the knickers story to his mates to explain why he would have touched her knickers, if they were found.

I'm not sure we've got the full picture yet (or ever will).

Maybe he invented that story just to slur Libby, make it look like she was initiating things, not him. IMO he was trying to give the impression he was a decent married man having to fight off the intentions of a girl trying to lead him astray. JMO

 

[tedtink]

But maybe he invented the knickers story to his mates to explain why he would have touched her knickers, if they were found.

I'm not sure we've got the full picture yet (or ever will).

He seems to have a thing (fetish) about knickers and I'm not surprised he'd fixated on them and included the knickers in his 'story'.
JMO

ETA- + The post directly above this

 

[Newthoughts]

Would he have expected her body not to be discovered in the river?

That's quite the distance over a meandering stretch and through the city, before it opens into the Humber.

It would depend how well he knew the river and whether he thought the evidence would be washed away. My guess is bit of both. The fact he didn't appear to change his story until very late in the day suggests he expected thr evidence to be gone.

 

[JosieJo]

Only just catching up today .. I imagine the the prosecution will have done enough by emphasising his lies and "hobbies"
I think murder is likely on the balance of probability...but...that shouldn't really be enough in a criminal case ...and personally I'm not sure I'd "be sure" he killed her .. it cant be proved they were in the park and the PM was inconclusive...even though he likely murdered her I think only rape and manslaughter have been proven.
I do think the jury will find guilty of murder though

 

[TreiseOg]

Thank you for the amazing commentary updates, @jimjam!

But...goodness, the number of times it was stated that poor Libby wanted her mother that night made my heart break from the perspective of her own mother listening. That poor family.

 

[Winterbells]

Thank you for the amazing commentary updates, @jimjam!

But...goodness, the number of times it was stated that poor Libby wanted her mother that night made my heart break from the perspective of her own mother listening. That poor family.

Yep. Torture.

 

[sundaaaay]

I hope PW is found guilty of rape murder & lying under oath. I've followed this case since the moment it was reported and really hoped she would be found alive. Poor LS.

The timing of the screams might not match perfectly but I see this as a red herring. The tone is more important, described as blood curdling. They happened. For me what it always comes back to is the fact that everyone who seen LS that night said that she was a mess. This is a girl who could not stand up properly, who PW himself said he had to put her seatbelt on. It makes no sense for her to wander into this part of ORPF in the cold. Nobody in this condition is in the mood for sex, no one.

He deliberately didn’t bring his phone with him and when he realised she had no phone either, she was the one girl he’s found (that we know of) who actually couldn’t get away from him, who couldn't raise the alarm and I reckon no matter what road LS was living on, he was going to take her to his spot on ORPF. He has completely, utterly, objectified women and played out his sick fantasies on real people. He's also made a complete fool of himself with his lies.

 

[Loobyloo]

No, she dropped the keys in the garden of the house where people had tried to help her. The reporting is patchy, because they've left out any mention of that. Quite a few mistakes, eg
"None who saw her could not have known just what danger she was in that night" surely should be "None who saw her could have known just what danger she was in that night."
Goodness knows what else he's leaving out.

I suspect it's not the prosecutor leaving bits out or making mistakes, but the reporter, trying to jot everything down in a hurry. It can't be an easy job.

 

[Winterbells]

I suspect it's not the prosecutor leaving bits out or making mistakes, but the reporter, trying to jot everything down in a hurry. It can't be an easy job.

I think that's the point @Cherwell was making.

 

[JerseyGirl]

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