Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest*

[Ched]

I can’t see how any family members would know him as surely the police would have shown the cctv to them before asking public to identify him ?

 

[Angleterre]

LE will have made a point of taking the opportunity to gather all the evidence that the suspect may have control over, e.g. digital data, clothing.

In interview LE questioning will have closed down all the potential explanations a suspect may have for their presence at a scene, movements, forensic marks or possession of property etc. The question will have been put but possibly not answered, i.e. 'no comment'. That is not a problem.

LE will continue to investigate after release from custody. At the point where the evidence meets the criteria for the Crown Prosecution Service to agree a charge then the police will apply for an arrest warrant at the Magistrates Court. If the warrant is issued it will be executed by the police and the arrested person will be brought before the next available Court to be charged and bailed or charged and remanded in custody.

That's the simple version!

Almost right but not quite. He has already been charged with the crime and will be kept in custody until he appears before the magistrate on Monday morning 2nd sept and then when he does, the magistrate will decide what to do but Murder in the UK isn’t an offence for which you can be bailed ( albeit once remanded into custody he will have the opportunity to make further bail requests and Judge in chambers ), so he will be remanded in custody and sent to a juvenile detention centre. Hope that clarifies it- I’m not being a ‘know it all’, just because I have a lot of experience in this field that I am pointing out the procedure.

 

[WiseOwl]

Almost right but not quite. He has already been charged with the crime and will be kept in custody until he appears before the magistrate on Monday morning 2nd sept and then when he does, the magistrate will decide what to do but Murder in the UK isn’t an offence for which you can be bailed ( albeit once remanded into custody he will have the opportunity to make further bail requests and Judge in chambers ), so he will be remanded in custody and sent to a juvenile detention centre. Hope that clarifies it- I’m not being a ‘know it all’, just because I have a lot of experience in this field that I am pointing out the procedure.

You're not being a know-all at all, we all appreciate your valued input on here.

 

[Coveting]

Hi all, I’ve been a longtime lurker on here for the past couple of years, but this case finally made me sign up!

I’m shocked at the 16yo being charged, i had wondered if it was perhaps a sexual assault gone wrong or taken too far? JMO.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I can’t see how any family members would know him as surely the police would have shown the cctv to them before asking public to identify him ?

The police and family may already have known WHO he was but did not know WHERE he was. Thus the public appeal. IMO

 

[Dre]

Welcome @Coveting!!! We’re glad you’re here with us

 

[SpursGyal]

just catching up with today’s developments. I’m really shocked that he has been charged with murder. I really thought he would just be part of the puzzle....

I wonder if more arrests will follow or if he really did act alone.

 

[Sally4x]

Hi all, I’ve been a longtime lurker on here for the past couple of years, but this case finally made me sign up!

I’m shocked at the 16yo being charged, i had wondered if it was perhaps a sexual assault gone wrong or taken too far? JMO.

The only think mention was the neck compression after the post-mortem. Wouldn’t a sexual assault had been mentioned?

 

[Chellbu]

I’m shocked that he has been charged. I would not be surprised if there are more arrests to come.
It just doesn’t add up to me.

Where does a 16 year old store a body?

 

[Coveting]

The only think mention was the neck compression after the post-mortem. Wouldn’t a sexual assault had been mentioned?

I wondered if they would leave details like that out to avoid any further speculation, especially if it was a completely random attack? They seem to have avoided confirming how the body was found. Maybe the finer details are too shocking for the general public to hear, a random attack followed by murder & all by a 16yo. JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A service will be held for Lindsay tomorrow (September 1) at St Margaret's Church, Hapton, at 7.30pm.

Her family say the community is welcome to attend.
Church service to be held for mum-of-two Lindsay Birbeck

 

[Officer Dibble]

absolutely agree with you and whenever I had to be in attendance at a post morten, I would put vicks menthol vapour rub under my nose and a face mask doused in Chinese white oil (strong menthol smell that makes your eyes water) and even then I couldn’t get the smell out of my senses!

I can totally understand this!

 

[Gillwill]

I am wondering if he had any younger siblings that LB could of had in her class at school? MOO.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Almost right but not quite. He has already been charged with the crime and will be kept in custody until he appears before the magistrate on Monday morning 2nd sept and then when he does, the magistrate will decide what to do but Murder in the UK isn’t an offence for which you can be bailed ( albeit once remanded into custody he will have the opportunity to make further bail requests and Judge in chambers ), so he will be remanded in custody and sent to a juvenile detention centre. Hope that clarifies it- I’m not being a ‘know it all’, just because I have a lot of experience in this field that I am pointing out the procedure.

Thanks Angleterre,

I think my response was to a question posed before the charge was announced.

Come to think of it....if it the CPS charging criteria was unlikely to be met before the 96 hour clock expired, then would the options be to release 'under investigation' or on police bail, a couple of hours before the clock runs out? On the basis that there would be enough time remaining for subsequent re-arrest and charge, if authorised by the CPS at a later date, following further investigation?

 

[WiseOwl]

I’m shocked that he has been charged. I would not be surprised if there are more arrests to come.
It just doesn’t add up to me.

Where does a 16 year old store a body?

IMO he would need help for this.

 

[CharlestonGal]

IMO he would need help for this.

Totally agree.

 

[Funkymum19]

Hi there, have been following this case and am shocked to the core.

I wondered if the 16 year old could have had a previous relationship with LB daughter? Or LB possibly in a relationship with the 16 year olds father

 

[Angleterre]

Thanks Angleterre,

I think my response was to a question posed before the charge was announced.

Come to think of it....if it the CPS charging criteria was unlikely to be met before the 96 hour clock expired, then would the options be to release 'under investigation' or on police bail, a couple of hours before the clock runs out? On the basis that there would be enough time remaining for subsequent re-arrest and charge, if authorised by the CPS at a later date, following further investigation?

Yes you got it. That’s absolutely spot on. If they know that they are no where near having enough evidence to charge by the time the ‘custody clock ‘ is running out of time, they would ‘bail’ the suspect, probably with conditions of residence and curfew and not to approach witnesses etc with a view to still having time left ‘on the clock’ to re arrest when they do have the evidence sufficient to meet the CPS charging criteria.
Also, to be honest, if they are no where near having the evidence to charge, then they may not have applied for or been granted the extra time, taking them to the maximum 96 hours. Only Terrorism cases have a different custody clock timeframe.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Yes you got it. That’s absolutely spot on. If they know that they are no where near having enough evidence to charge by the time the ‘custody clock ‘ is running out of time, they would ‘bail’ the suspect, probably with conditions of residence and curfew and not to approach witnesses etc with a view to still having time left ‘on the clock’ to re arrest when they do have the evidence sufficient to meet the CPS charging criteria.
Also, to be honest, if they are no where near having the evidence to charge, then they may not have applied for or been granted the extra time, taking them to the maximum 96 hours. Only Terrorism cases have a different custody clock timeframe.

I've been wondering about that. Thank you.

 

[Henny2018]

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Been lurking since the beginning and am genuinely shocked that he has been charged.
I still think he didn’t act alone. Moo.