UK - Logan Mwangi, 5, found dead in Wales River, Bridgend, 31 July 2021 *arrests, inc. minor* #4

[Linnyg]

This isn't snobbery before anyone accuses me, it's because I've lived a similarly low income lifestyle for many years... they may have been relying on the cheapest possible clothing. I don't know what shops there are in that area (I've been out of the UK a long time) but when mine were little it was Matalan, George at ASDA, that sort of thing. They're worn out after a few washes.

This passed my mind also. I refused to buy expensive clothing for my young children, especially pjs that would be grown out of rather quickly. With the addition of a tight budget, I don't think its an inappropriate suggestion that the clothing could have been of a quality that was easily damaged.

 

[Skigh]

This isn't snobbery before anyone accuses me, it's because I've lived a similarly low income lifestyle for many years... they may have been relying on the cheapest possible clothing. I don't know what shops there are in that area (I've been out of the UK a long time) but when mine were little it was Matalan, George at ASDA, that sort of thing. They're worn out after a few washes.

AW had enough money to buy trainers and Xboxes for JC so it was not lack of money,but could be how she chose to spend it.

 

[Linnyg]

AW had enough money to buy trainers and Xboxes for JC so it was not lack of money,but could be how she chose to spend it.

Didn't JC give her the money for her to purchase these things on her card?
Also, I believe the 1500 per month would have included her rent and council tax payments so she wasn't as well off as some may think

 

[katydid23]

There may have been one specific injury, from one person, that caused his death but that hasn't been reported from the trial. It’s possible it was the combination of several injuries. Regardless, they were all involved in attacking Logan, at various levels and they can all be found equally guilty of murder.
MOO

I do think it was a combination of injuries which resulted in his death. Perhaps starting with the broken clavicle, which was left untreated for many weeks. So he was in pain and that puts stress on his body. I think the teen was bullying him and kicking and tripping him, ending up with him falling down the stairs.

Then there was the gut punches by JC---I think those resulted in the internal injuries, ruptured organs, etc, etc. And Logan may have received the initial head wound at that time as well. Also, his hand was possibly stomped upon by the youth?

The next incident may have been on Friday night---perhaps another head blow and some more punches and kicks? Maybe because he was crying or whining ? Or maybe someone decided to put him out of his misery and end it all? ....If so, I think it would be JC to make that decision. JMO

 

[Jay_Tec]

This case is on my mind so much especially as I don't live too far away (though not in Bridgend) and my children stay with their dad there pretty regularly.

One thought I've had (and I might have totally forgotten some evidence that makes this thought impossible) is that was Logan really dead when left at the river? The defendants have lied so much and (I think?) we only have JC's word for it that he was.

What if Logan was taken to the river unconscious but alive. They may have hoped a passer by would find him and they could have put whatever plan they'd concocted into motion eg blaming someone else. When JC said in his first police interview that he carried Logan in his arms - I think/IMO this was the truth because he probably hadn't been shown the CCTV so admitted it. The bin bags and later Nike bag story came IMO after he knew what the CCTV showed, how detailed it was, and how he could manipulate the story in line with that.

So then I think - if he had carried Logan to the river in his arms then it could only have been with the thought in mind that they wanted him to be found. Maybe they knew he needed hospital treatment desperately but couldn't be the ones to phone an ambulance as they had caused the injuries (IMO).

I just get the feeling that there is something missing. The defendants are covering for each other but dropping each other in it on other things. They are all (IMO) involved in the attempted cover up, the evidence tells that truth even if they themselves don't.

Sorry if this is jumbled - hopefully I managed to make some kind of point!

I think there's something to this - and I've wondered same too.

What if JC got AW to agree to allow him to lay Logan down somewhere he could be found, on the basis that Logan was alive (barely) and needed emergency treatment.

AW went along with it and they confabulated an abduction story. That would explain why AW did her dramatic screaming in the morning - to raise the alarm.

It would also explain the 'you told me he was alive' comment overheard.

Maybe JC had no intention of laying Logan down to be discovered and double crossed AW? Maybe JC and the Youth changed plans en route? Maybe Logan died en route? Maybe someone killed him en route?

 

[neteditor]

AW had enough money to buy trainers and Xboxes for JC so it was not lack of money,but could be how she chose to spend it.

I don't honestly think anyone on welfare, no matter how "high" the rate, is coining it in. I do know people of all walks of life and income levels spend inappropriately and get themselves in trouble. I also agree with @Linnyg above, there's no point spending more on good quality clothing when it's going to be grown out of before it's worn out. The only good quality clothing my children had were hand-me-downs from friends or fortuitous charity shop finds.

 

[katydid23]

The pyjama top might not have even been taken off Logan as recently as that day. Maybe both AW and JC are lying about it. More confusion!

Why would they feel the need to dispose of it? No blood was evident.

 

[ChloLo]

There was no water present in Logan’s lungs. Therefore he was dead before he was in the river.

 

[Dotta]

Didn't JC give her the money for her to purchase these things on her card?
Also, I believe the 1500 per month would have included her rent and council tax payments so she wasn't as well off as some may think

But why would he do that?
Didn't the have his own bank account and his own card?

 

[Jay_Tec]

Personally, I now think the torn PJ top is possibly a red herring - placed on purpose to make it look to police that Logan had been abducted by someone who tore up / tore off his top.

Or, Logan was known to be fond of certain things including items of clothing. Maybe JC or the Youth tore the top up to mock and taunt him during the episodes of violence.

JC said Logan had been throwing himself off the top of a chest of drawers (in his bedroom?) and also throwing himself off his bed onto the floor and flinging himself onto the baby gate. He also admits to throwing Logan onto his bed.

I think this is a fairly big clue to the fact that Logan was badly beaten and thrown around and tossed about like a rag doll inside his room. Part of that torture episode could have been smashing up Logan's toys and tearing his favourite top. Seems that AW cleaned down Logan's room with Dettol as she says 'decontaminating after covid' or more likely getting rid of all evidence ?

They say the garden had bin bags full of stuff they were clearing out that week - old toys / broken toys. Were they in a mind to clear Logan out along with it all ?

 

[altyg]

Didn't JC give her the money for her to purchase these things on her card?
Also, I believe the 1500 per month would have included her rent and council tax payments so she wasn't as well off as some may think

Even after rent and council tax, she would have the best part of£1000 to spend, some working people don't have that amount of disposable income

 

[Jay_Tec]

There was no water present in Logan’s lungs. Therefore he was dead before he was in the river.

Yes he was dead before being put in the water. But did he die inside the house or on his way to the water?

Since none of them could call an ambulance, it's possible AW agreed to this insane and frankly laughable abduction story on the grounds that JC would take Logan somewhere to be found?

 

[ShineOn]

Why would they feel the need to dispose of it? No blood was evident.

That's the question and I wish o had the answer. Evidence of their cruelty and mistreatment? They were panicked and knew police would be at the flat at some point and did not want them to see it for whatever reason. Whatever happened to cause the damage to that top was not good. And why was it only the top they disposed of but not the bottoms?

Every question leads to ten more. So much confusion caused by lies. But confusion can lead to reasonable doubt.

 

[Skigh]

I don't honestly think anyone on welfare, no matter how "high" the rate, is coining it in. I do know people of all walks of life and income levels spend inappropriately and get themselves in trouble. I also agree with @Linnyg above, there's no point spending more on good quality clothing when it's going to be grown out of before it's worn out. The only good quality clothing my children had were hand-me-downs from friends or fortuitous charity shop finds.

My post did not say I thought she was 'coining it in'. Please do not use my post to try and insinuate that I am 'benefit bashing'.

 

[ShineOn]

Yes he was dead before being put in the water. But did he die inside the house or on his way to the water?

Since none of them could call an ambulance, it's possible AW agreed to this insane and frankly laughable abduction story on the grounds that JC would take Logan somewhere to be found?

Another theory - JC might have left Logan by the side of the river as he stated.

When he and the youth left the house again (JC said it was to hide the PJ top but again, we don't know if that's true. He could have hidden it when they went out the first time) they could have checked on Logan, found he was no longer breathing, and put him in the river then.

Or maybe JC did go to hide the PJ top on the second time they left the house and Y went back to the river and took matters into his own hands

So many possibilities. And all just MOO.

 

[mrazda71]

Even after rent and council tax, she would have the best part of£1000 to spend, some working people don't have that amount of disposable income

Okay, suppose you say £1000 a month, she still had bills to pay, gas, water, electric, TV licence, people 'on benefits' don't get them for free, 2 children to provide for (plus Cole scrounging) and considering the cost of living increase and that benefits are capped, it's not the free ride you might think.

 

[Skigh]

Okay, suppose you say £1000 a month, she still had bills to pay, gas, water, electric, TV licence, people 'on benefits' don't get them for free and considering the cost of living increase and that benefits are capped, it's not the free ride you might think.

I am well aware of the cost of living and household bills which need to be paid.

 

[mrazda71]

Even after rent and council tax, she would have the best part of£1000 to spend, some working people don't have that amount of disposable income

Okay, suppose you say £1000 a month, she still had bills to pay, gas, water, electric, TV licence, people 'on benefits' don't get them for free and considering the cost of living increase and that benefits are capped, it's not the free ride you might think.

I am well aware of the cost of living and household bills which need to be paid.

That's good.

My post wasn't in reply to you @Skigh

 

[Alyce]

Why would they feel the need to dispose of it? No blood was evident.

perhaps because of the way it had been torn, which they thought would show some type of attack against Logan , rather than just a top which had worn out.

 

[ShineOn]

I deal with benefits at times in my job. If AW gets Universal Credit she'd get monthly:

Single over 25 £324
First child £282
Second child £237
Housing costs example £400 (that's an estimate based on rent in South Wales. It would be whatever her rent is as long as it doesn't exceed the housing allowance.
Child benefit £137
Council tax paid £100
I'm assuming she gets PIP for disability. Around £362 per month on the lowest rate.
Free school meals, uniform grants.

I'm not sure how to do the links, here's a c&p link from the Gov site

Universal Credit