Identified! UK - London Bridge Station, 25-35, Alias "FRASER WILLIAM", Canadian accent, Mar'20 - Fraser Moore

[bombardier]

That is the part that is extra sad, to think he may have loved ones who have no idea what happened and think "William" is just too busy having fun.
Also sad would be if the two lined tattoo did in fact turn out to represent the loss of loved ones and those two are his parents.
Thinking it might be helpful if LE posted this case on a Jewish international news site.
All speculation, imo.

Agreed- might reach out to some Jewish community pages on FB and see if they'll either post his information, or know other online communities where the info could be spread.

 

[realanastasia]

There’s a 2017 post on the subreddit r/TrueOffMyChest in which the poster (a now-deleted user account) is complaining about a boyfriend getting the East India Company logo tattooed on his forearm or wrist area. Spelling is British/Commonwealth English.

I saw this post too—but if you read the description carefully, the OP says her boyfriend’s tattoo was of the logo for the East India Company, not the Dutch East India Company, and the OP describes it as “the one with three prongs, E I Co and no circle.”

If you google the East India Trading Company logo you’ll see that it is visually quite different than the one pictured on this unidentified person.

The fact that her bf was keen to get this tattoo because he was a fan of pirates definitely seems like it could be relevant, though—this UID has other tattoos that could be interpreted as “pirate-adjacent”/pirate-related (palm tree, revolvers)...

 

[dotr]

Palm trees in Israel.

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[canteloupe]

I saw this post too—but if you read the description carefully, the OP says her boyfriend’s tattoo was of the logo for the East India Company, not the Dutch East India Company, and the OP describes it as “the one with three prongs, E I Co and no circle.”

If you google the East India Trading Company logo you’ll see that it is visually quite different than the one pictured on this unidentified person.

The fact that her bf was keen to get this tattoo because he was a fan of pirates definitely seems like it could be relevant, though—this UID has other tattoos that could be interpreted as “pirate-adjacent”/pirate-related (palm tree, revolvers)...

Yes, I did see that! Like you, I thought of the "pirate-adjacent" (gave me a good chuckle, thank you) imagery and wondered if we might not find other posts asking for advice with tattoos in the same thematic area.

I'm also wondering if the centurion helmet is actually a Spartan helmet...considering the Star of David?

I'd also like to know what he was wearing...I regularly commuted from that particular station and there's CCTV up the wazoo. Did he strip on the train? And would also like to know how he boarded the Southeastern train. Fare jumped? Oyster? Tap-n-go credit/debit card?

Last, I think the Israel angle is a good one; here's a page that describes the presence of Jewish communities in the footprint of the VOC's expansion. There's an embedded video with a woman discussing family customs from the Dutch East Indies in current day Israel. Could the Canadian accent actually be Israeli? Or from someone who grew up in the Dutch Antilles?

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Last, I think the Israel angle is a good one; here's a page that describes the presence of Jewish communities in the footprint of the VOC's expansion. There's an embedded video with a woman discussing family customs from the Dutch East Indies in current day Israel. Could the Canadian accent actually be Israeli? Or from someone who grew up in the Dutch Antilles?

Having heard both Israeli accented English and Canadian, I find it would probably be hard to mix the two up, but that's also from an American perspective.

 

[canteloupe]

Having heard both Israeli accented English and Canadian, I find it would probably be hard to mix the two up, but that's also from an American perspective.

I agree with you completely.

I think ultimately the tattoos will reveal his identity; they seem to be quite professional and therefore likely quite expensive.

 

[BGoodwin94]

I always wondered about the weird angle of the photo and now that you mention it, yes, it does look like it is trains seats that blocking the full face view.

But than I never saw CCTV being positioned between/behind the train seats in this angle. I wonder if other passenger took this photo and the reason why police showed up later on and also have this photo ...

Until now I assumed that he just did not pay the fare.

Anyway, other things to explore - name - William Fraser (or Frazer) and also his red bracelet with black beads. It is visible on his left arm in some photos.

To me, it looks as if he's drunk or something, not totally coherent and maybe that explains the type of photograph. As if someone has secretly taken it because they don't want to draw attention to themselves. From what I have been reading, most people are assuming he's jewish because of the tattoo but I know a couple of people that wear the Star of David necklaces and they're not jewish, they just like the look of it.

 

[BGoodwin94]

To me, it looks as if he's drunk or something, not totally coherent and maybe that explains the type of photograph. As if someone has secretly taken it because they don't want to draw attention to themselves. From what I have been reading, most people are assuming he's jewish because of the tattoo but I know a couple of people that wear the Star of David necklaces and they're not jewish, they just like the look of it.

I just had a thought! What if he came from London City Airport, which would explain the close proximity of Plumstead station. I looked at the destinations where you can fly to (out of LC airport) and one of the countries is the Netherlands. It's then a further 20 mins from Plumstead to London Bridge station.

(See below on the map)

I have also placed the image of his face into Google to do a reverse search, which should tell you if the image can be found elsewhere but it only showed up missing person's groups in Canada via Facebook. One or two people shared it and I did see it was shared in Montreal.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

To me, it looks as if he's drunk or something, not totally coherent and maybe that explains the type of photograph. As if someone has secretly taken it because they don't want to draw attention to themselves. From what I have been reading, most people are assuming he's jewish because of the tattoo but I know a couple of people that wear the Star of David necklaces and they're not jewish, they just like the look of it.

I thought he maybe was having some kind of episode which station staff or transport police were trying to contain. Possibly due to substances, or possibly mental health. I get the impression that he jumped down onto the track during the "situation" without thinking about the risk, but I could be totally wrong.

 

[AliceInPain]

I just had a thought! What if he came from London City Airport, which would explain the close proximity of Plumstead station. I looked at the destinations where you can fly to (out of LC airport) and one of the countries is the Netherlands. It's then a further 20 mins from Plumstead to London Bridge station.

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If you arrive at London City Airport and want to get to central London you take the DLR, you don't take a bus to Plumstead.
You don't go there unless you have a good reason to.
If you want to change trains or bus you go to Woolwich which is the next stop.

If he didn't live, work or know someone or some specific place in Plumstead, he may have ended up there when drunk and spent a night at the police station. They let you out around 5-6 in the morning which would maybe fit his time of travelling. But authorities would know that.

There was another thread for this guy here:
APPEAL TO IDENTIFY MAN TRAGICALLY ‘ELECTROCUTED’ AT LONDON BRIDGE STATION

 

[BGoodwin94]

I thought he maybe was having some kind of episode which station staff or transport police were trying to contain. Possibly due to substances, or possibly mental health. I get the impression that he jumped down onto the track during the "situation" without thinking about the risk, but I could be totally wrong.

From what I've just researched, a sun tattoo symbolises rebirth, endurance but can also be a symbol for a 'pick me up' when you're feeling down. And lines of tattoos represents losing someone close to you. It's quite an important thing to note that all his tattoos are quite symbolic.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

From what I've just researched, a sun tattoo symbolises rebirth, endurance but can also be a symbol for a 'pick me up' when you're feeling down. And lines of tattoos represents losing someone close to you. It's quite an important thing to note that all his tattoos are quite symbolic.

I agree. Suggests a deep emotional thinker to me

 

[dotr]

To me, it looks as if he's drunk or something, not totally coherent and maybe that explains the type of photograph. As if someone has secretly taken it because they don't want to draw attention to themselves. From what I have been reading, most people are assuming he's jewish because of the tattoo but I know a couple of people that wear the Star of David necklaces and they're not jewish, they just like the look of it.

Regarding the Star of David tattoo, maybe the man's name actually is David?
Wondering now about the tattoo of the woman, (some here said it was Lady Gaga) would that be a tattoo the average guy would get, if not- what might it signify? speculation.
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Right Forearm, Woman's face with glasses

A stretch...... Was "William Fraser" a fan of the books/show Outlander, was he named James and had a brother named William who died?
Outlander: What happened to William Fraser? Tragic backstory of Jamie's brother

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[BGoodwin94]

Ahh yes! The tattoo is Lana Del Ray, and someone pointed out that he might have been here for the concert in London which was meant to be around the time when he died. I did another research earlier on one of those missing people pages on facebook, someone had his name down as William Fraser, although it could have been misspelled. I did go through a ton of people and their profiles on facebook last night and see if any of them liked Lana Del Ray in their likes section.

What I would love to see is his toxicology report rom his post mortem and see if he was on anything. From that picture that the police have used, he doesn't look coherent. Another member mentioned he might have been homeless, so would be ideal to scope the area and see if anyone recognises him as the homeless community is tight-nit.

Another thing, how do we actually know he is Canadian and his name is Fraser William or vice versa. I wonder if the police know more than they are letting on?

 

[BGoodwin94]

Me again .... going back to the tattoos. Something just clicked as I was looking at that Lana Del Ray tattoo on his arm. I think the revolver and palm trees is homage to Lana, if anyone is a fan of her then you'll know that her Paradise album has palm trees on the cover and I'm pretty sure that there's a revolver on the cover of another album. Maybe this is a lead to follow? It fits in well with him being in London at the time that she was meant to preform.

 

[dotr]

Me again .... going back to the tattoos. Something just clicked as I was looking at that Lana Del Ray tattoo on his arm. I think the revolver and palm trees is homage to Lana, if anyone is a fan of her then you'll know that her Paradise album has palm trees on the cover and I'm pretty sure that there's a revolver on the cover of another album. Maybe this is a lead to follow? It fits in well with him being in London at the time that she was meant to preform.

Lana Del Ray, now that sounds like an intriguing, if ironic theory to check out!
Noting that in my previous post i (wrongly) stated that the tattoo might have been Lady Gaga. imo.


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[HongKongPhooey]

Me again .... going back to the tattoos. Something just clicked as I was looking at that Lana Del Ray tattoo on his arm. I think the revolver and palm trees is homage to Lana, if anyone is a fan of her then you'll know that her Paradise album has palm trees on the cover and I'm pretty sure that there's a revolver on the cover of another album. Maybe this is a lead to follow? It fits in well with him being in London at the time that she was meant to preform.

I think you are onto something here. A google images search for Lana Del Rey tattoos and I found a revolver with "born to die". Also her album cover (Paradise?) has Lana on it with palm trees behind her.

ETA Sorry, you mentioned Paradise yourself!

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Just found a lyric too..

I think I'll miss you forever
Like the stars miss the sun in the morning sky

So now we have another tattoo link, the star and the sun?

 

[BGoodwin94]

No worries Yes, it does seem to be pointing that way and it's quite intriguing. If you look at the dates, Lana was meant to perform at the end of Feb, exactly one month apart from when he died (concert 25th Feb, victims death 25th March).

 

[BGoodwin94]

Just found a lyric too..

I think I'll miss you forever
Like the stars miss the sun in the morning sky

So now we have another tattoo link, the star and the sun?

The tattoo of Lana on his arm says BAD, which if you look up, takes you to a feature via the Observer. I think it's from a song called Bad Disease?